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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: FC: Nancy Carter, who is suing Canadian ISP, replies to Politech
Hello Jeff, listreaders and stakeholders,
First of all, I am a member of INEGroup. I joined the
Canadian chapter of INEG a couple of weeks ago. If you
remember, we had a discussion on this list (see
archives for details).
Second of all, if INEGroup has over 127,000 members, do
you know them all PERSONALLY? INEGroup is an
international organization with chapters all over the
world. Seriously, you can't claim to know if I am a
member or not.
Thirdly, I will provide proof of my membership in INEG
to anyone who requests it (off-list of course).
And in the meantime, as a member of INEGroup, I will
speak my opinion freely on this list. It is my right
as an INEG member.
Thank you,
Tim
On Thu, 07 Nov 2002, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> All atakeholders or other interested parties and
members,
>
> This entity whatever or whomever it/he/she really
is, is NOT a INEGroup member..
>
> fuddle@canada.com wrote:
>
> > Hello Judith,
> >
> > As a new member of INEGroup, I must say that I
> disagree
> > with our spokeman on this one. The views that
Judith
> > has expressed for the most part do not concern me.
> > Although, he does sometimes make some good points,
> this
> > Ineg member does not agree with Jeff Williams on
this
> > issue.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Tim.
> >
> > expresso@e-scape.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > Without labouring the point, I'd just like to
> clarify
> > > for the Nth time
> > > that I am quite content to let others decide what
> they
> > > think of what I say.
> > >
> > > However, Jeff seems to labour under some kind of
> > > misapprehension or prejudice about me, and has
added
> > > people to the distribution list of his message who
> may
> > > not have any prior knowledge of ICANNATLARGE.ORG
so
> > > here goes:
> > >
> > > 1. I am not and never have been interested in
> running
> > > for Secretary of ICANNATLARGE.ORG, nor have I
posted
> > > anything to say I wanted to do so in the future.
> > >
> > > 2. I did offer to act as recording secretary of
the
> > > Outreach Working Group and Jefsey Morfin put my
name
> > on
> > > the subscription page of the WG-Outreach mailing
> list.
> > > Jeff Williams, who is also in that working group,
> > > objected and demanded that the position be
elective
> > > instead. I expressed my willingness to go along
with
> > > whatever the group wanted but nothing more has
been
> > > said about it. You can read about that in the list
> > > archives for both [atlarge-discuss] and
> [wg-outreach].
> > >
> > > 3. I am not now and never have been counted as
part
> of
> > > the IT industry (I'm a freelance writer, editor
and
> > > translator with an interest in the world around
me).
> > > Whatever Jeff or any other individual may think of
> my
> > > opinions, political or otherwise, is up to them.
> > > However, I have the right -- as everyone does --
> to
> > > express my opinions and let them be judged by my
> > peers.
> > > Personally, I do not consider a person who
> > > misrepresents what I say and accuses me of what I
> have
> > > not done is one of my peers.
> > >
> > > I do sometimes wish Jeff would let the 127,000+
> > members
> > > of his INEGroup speak for themselves. Since I've
> never
> > > heard from any of them, I tend to wonder whether
> their
> > > objections to my existence are as fervent as
Jeff's.
> > >
> > > I also wonder that the "users/stakeholders" he
> refers
> > > to wouldn't realize that each of them could join
> > > ICANNATLARGE.ORG and together vote to expel me
from
> > the
> > > membership for voicing opinions they don't seem to
> > > like. I myself am not a "stakeholder" in any
company
> > --
> > > just an individual Internet user amongst the 1000+
> who
> > > have chosen to join ICANNATLARGE.ORG and try to do
> > > something useful -- so I presume they could do
that
> if
> > > they wanted to.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Judyth
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:14 -0800 2002/11/07, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >Nancy and all,
> > > >
> > > > Nancy, you comments/observations and statements
> > > below adequately
> > > >address or correct Judyth's errant and grossly
> > > mistaken remarks in her
> > > >previous response on this thread. I also as you
> > know,
> > > attempted to
> > > >steer Judyth in the right direction. However her
> > > contentions and
> > > >observations were and do, although wrongly
reflect
> a
> > > political
> > > >diatribe that is present in the IT segment of the
> > > world today.
> > > >
> > > > What actually concerns me and our [INEGroup]
> > members
> > > >and as I understand it, many other
> > stakeholders/users,
> > > is that
> > > >Judyth is seeking a secretariat position for a
new
> > > fledgling
> > > >organization, ICANNATLARGE.ORG which is
purporting
> > > >to represent any and all interested
> stakeholder/users
> > > of the
> > > >Internet. With Judyth's expressed comments which
> you
> > > included
> > > >below, it would seem that such a diatribe or
> > political
> > > ideology
> > > >as she expressed is contrary to the desires of
many
> > > stakeholders/users.
> > > >Hence my obvious concern...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > Judyth Mermelstein "cogito ergo lego ergo
> > cogito..."
> > > Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
> > >
> >
>
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> > > "A word to the wise is sufficient. For others, use
> > > more."
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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