[atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] draft motion on membership vote

[bruce@barelyadequate.info]

Looks like we're on the same page here, Jefsey!

Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon USA
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|  -----Original Message-----
|  From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
|  Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:45 AM
|  To: bruce@barelyadequate.info
|  Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
|  Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel]
|  RE: (fwd) [atlarge-panel] draft motion on membership vote
|
|
|  I do not care bout the votng system practicalities. I care about:
|
|  1. a proper question preparation system adequate to who we
|  really are and
|  can make working
|
|  2. a polling culture. If we want the @large to be accepted as
|  representative of the users we need them to be at least accepted as a
|  significat market study panel by industry. To reach that level
|  we have to
|  accustom our members to be polled every month and respond. That way they
|  will actually and really share in the true management of the network
|  through technology, services etc.
|
|  3. I want a system people like and believe in. Exeperience with Joop's
|  system is that to build a trust and interest into a new system
|  takes years
|  of controversy (I build one for the IDNO you may recall). Joop's
|  booth is
|  IMHO OK with the provisions that :
|
|  - it can be used both as a site for those liking it and as a
|  mailing vote.
|  This can be provided in the way Joop manages it: wending mails you can
|  click. The problem is that polling needs HTML.
|  - Joop is NOT in charge but a committee of trustees elected by
|  the Members
|  as a service organized by Joop. I am very glad if Joop only acts as an
|  organizer, not as a single polling officer.
|
|  I must say that I do NOT trust ANY specific polling system, specially in
|  PHP for any other thing that a small group management. The reason why is
|  that there are several functions in a vote.
|
|  1. the ballots.
|       - any program can generate athem for votes
|       - any simple HTML page can support a poll.
|
|  2. the sending: this is pure mailing list.
|
|  3. the collect. This should be a third party service. Only
|  collecting the
|  ballots and copying the resulting file to one or several polling
|  officers.
|  That collect should authenticate the voters (not necessarily as
|  person but
|  as not an alias).
|
|  4. the analysis. This should be carried again by a local GPL
|  program to the
|  polling officer machine. The result of the poll being accepted if every
|  polling officer get the same report.
|
|  That analysis can also be produced as a third party report. I am
|  working on
|  such a cheap service on a proffesionnal way. Another problem is
|  authentication.
|
|  jfc
|
|
|
|
|  On 06:53 24/01/03, bruce@barelyadequate.info said:
|
|  >Jefsey Morfin wrote:
|  >
|  >|  IMHO it is too complex a proposition. It calls for a lot of staff and
|  >|  effort and it is far too much demaning on the members in term of
|  >|  understanding of the ICAN situation.
|  >
|  >That's why I included "or similar Web-based voting options."  My only
|  >thought was to accomodate those that dislike e-mail voting and prefer a
|  >Web-based interface.  But the vote itself is far more important than the
|  >vehicle we use.
|  >
|  >Bruce Young
|  >Portland, Oregon USA
|  >bruce@barelyadequate.info
|  >http://www.barelyadequate.info
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