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[atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] ALAC comments on proposed Bylaws modifications
Richard and all Former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
Your questions here Richard are again spot on. They deserve direct
and to the point answers. I doubt that such answers will be forthcoming
any time soon from the ALAC. Your questions however have been
ask before under different circumstances in the now defunct ICANN
at-large effort that the ICANN BOD and staff closed down.
Your stated fear Richard is also well founded as well. Given those
still directly unanswered questions some of which you posed below
again, remaining unanswered directly by either the ICANN BOD
and/or staff, and now the ALAC leads any thinking stakeholder
to wonder and perhaps be rightly concerned as you are.
RALO's as the ALAC seems to be envisioning them, cannot by design,
represent individual stakeholders of have direct stakeholder/user participation,
representation, and/or input in any public or meaningful manner.
Of course not too long ago the ISOC did away with their individual
members voting rights, very similar to what is seems the ALAC would
seem to be heading here as Vittorio's comments/remarks indicate.
As you may already know Vittorio was a proponent of the ISOC
changing their bylaws to effect such a change in their membership
structure. This leaves me to question sincerely and honestly the
actual governance positions and/or direction of the now greatly
changed ISOC, as well as Vittorios interest in ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
Perhaps we can expect some direct answers and explanation regarding
that interest from Vittorio, and the ALAC in the near future?
Richard Henderson wrote:
> Vittorio -
>
> How do you see these geographical RALOs self-organising?
>
> If, on the one hand, you have organisations claiming to represent the
> interests of hundreds or thousands, and on the other hand, you also have
> individual users in the RALOs, what procedures do you propose to determine
> the policies, demands and leadership of any given RALO?
>
> If there is no democratic organisation within the RALOs, how do you
> determine policy and viewpoints?
>
> If there *is* to be democratic organisation, how do you balance the votes of
> individuals against the 'weight' of various-sized organisations?
>
> My fear is that, not only is the whole ICANN structure part of an ICANN
> agenda to contain and sideline At Large power inside ICANN, but that there
> seem to be no proposals for democratic process within the RALOs, thereby
> removing the ability of individual At Large internet users to determine the
> direction of the organisation which purports to represent them.
>
> Exactly *how* will RALOs choose their policies and leadership and
> representatives?
>
> Richard Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org>
> To: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:21 AM
> Subject: [ga] ALAC comments on proposed Bylaws modifications
>
> > Comment to the proposed Bylaws modifications
> > by the At Large Advisory Committee
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > The ALAC has had a limited amount of (email) discussion about the
> > proposed bylaw changes. Although not all ALAC members have addressed
> > this issues, those that have would like to leave the bylaw language
> > concerning At-Large Structures and Regional At-Large Organizations as
> > open as possible, with the understanding that details will be
> > addressed in the RALO's MoUs with ICANN, and that the ALAC and ICANN
> > will be responsible for ensuring that the MoU meets basic criteria for
> > involving individual Internet users and advancing their interests
> > within ICANN.
> >
> > While the ALAC wants to make clear and irrevocable that the RALOs and
> > At-Large Structures represent the voices of individuals, not
> > organizations, the Committee does not want a formalism in the bylaws
> > to block participation of groups that genuinely represent individuals
> > but also accept organizational/corporate members. The ALAC
> > acknowledges that ICANN needs to be mindful of two possible scenarios:
> > an individuals-only policy blocks ISOC chapters and other individual
> > participation, or lack of such a policy permits some company to
> > "organize" an At-Large Structure and capture its RALO. The ALAC
> > thinks the problem of preventing organizational capture should be left
> > to the RALOs in the first instance; and that too detailed a policy may
> > hamper the groups most effectively representing individuals.
> >
> > In addition to some ISOC chapters, there is concern that some of the
> > groups listed below, which could be considered potential candidates
> > for At-Large Structures, could not fully participate under the
> > proposed bylaws (note: these are hypothetical examples and do not
> > indicate any commitment or interest on the part of these
> > organizations):
> >
> > a.. Association for Internet Professionals (AIP)
> > (http://www.association.org/) has both individual and corporate
> > memberships
> > b.. ISOC ECC and CECUA have only organizational members and have
> > asked to be included as At-Large Structures (although it is not clear
> > why they should receive this delegation rather than each of their
> > members being delegated an ALS)
> > c.. www.stikom.edu - appears to provide individuals with news,
> > education, and community discussion on issues relevant to At-Large,
> > but does not have memberships
> > d.. LatinoamerICANN (http://www.latinoamericann.derecho.org.ar) is
> > an apendix of the Alfa-Redi Society, which is an international
> > membership-only society of lawyers specializing in computing law
> > (http://www.alfa-redi.org); to members LatinoamerICANN provides
> > information on the DNS and related issues.
> > e.. Arab Knowledge Management Society (www.akms.org) - non profit
> > education service addressing "digital divide issues" with no
> > memberships
> > f.. Institute for Study of Information Tech and Society --
> > http://communityconnections.heinz.cmu.edu/insites/about -- nonprofit
> > group for teaching, research and public outreach on information
> > technology policy, has corporate members/supporters
> > g.. Consumers' Union/Consumer Policy Institute
> > (http://www.consumersunion.org/aboutcu/about.htm) and EPIC (Electronic
> > Privacy Information Center) (http://www.epic.org/) -- have some
> > compatible objectives, involve individuals in their policy development
> > and other activities, and could contribute to ICANN policy/issue
> > debates, but are not membership organizations
> >
> > With this in mind, the ALAC offers the following draft language for
> > the Committee's consideration:
> >
> > (h) Each RALO shall be comprised of self-supporting At-Large
> > Structures within its Geographic Region, certified to meet
> > the requirements of the RALO's Memorandum of Understanding
> > with ICANN according to paragraph 4(i) of this Section. If
> > so provided by its memorandum of understanding with ICANN, a
> > RALO may also have as its members individual Internet users
> > who are citizens or residents of countries within the RALO's
> > Geographic Region. Any RALO must, through its at-large
> > structures or through direct membership, be open for
> > participation of all individual Internet users who are
> > citizens or residents of countries within the RALO's
> > Geographic Region (as defined in Section 5 of Article VI).
> >
> > (i) The ALAC is responsible for certifying organizations as
> > meeting the criteria and standards for At-Large Structures.
> > The criteria and standards for certification of At-Large
> > Structures within a each Geographic Region shall be
> > established by the Board and based on recommendations of the
> > ALAC, so that each RALO is afforded the type of structure
> > that best fits its Geographic Region's customs and
> > characteristics. Those criteria and standards shall be
> > stated in the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and
> > the RALO for that Geographic Region. They shall ensure that
> > At-Large Structures appropriately represent and involve
> > individual Internet users who are citizens or residents of
> > the RALO's geographical region. Decisions to certify or
> > de-certify an At-Large Structure as meeting the applicable
> > criteria and standards shall require a 2/3 vote of all the
> > members of the ALAC and shall be subject to review according
> > to procedures the Board may establish. The ALAC may also
> > give advice as to whether a prospective At-Large Structure
> > meets the applicable criteria and standards.
> >
> > Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
> >
> > The Interim At-Large Advisory Committee
> > --
> > vb. [Vittorio Bertola - vb [at] bertola.eu.org]<---
> > -------------------> http://bertola.eu.org/ <-----------------------
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