[atlarge-discuss] Call for Membership to define role of new panel

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

I suggest we wait and see the outcome of this election, and then poll the
membership to

(a) verify their acceptance of the published results
(b) state whether they want to set limits on the period-in-office of the new
panel (to 3 months/6 months/9 months etc)
(c) determine whether the membership is happy with the electoral outcome, or
whether they want to limit the size of the panel (to 5 members/7 members
etc)
(d) define the mandate and objectives for the new panel (creating an
electoral commission/ broader mandate)

I suggest it is important for the membership to endorse the outcome of this
election, and fine-tune its tenure/size/mandate.

If we, the membership, is contented with the outcome of this election - then
all well and good - and we proceed at full steam ahead.

If we, the membership, collectively determine that some aspects of the
outcome should be re-defined, then that too is all well and good.

It is important that from this point onwards we establish the primary
principle that it is the members - not the panel - that should lead this
organisation. It is the members who should define the policies and
objectives of the group. The panel's task is to serve to fulfil the members'
agenda. Nothing more, nothing less. I suggest we employ a polling process
shortly after the election results to set the members' agenda, including a
definition of the extent to which we wish to implement the election outcome.
Given the vagaries of this election's processes, such an endorsement seems
appropriate. It will also set the precedent for the future :

That the membership, through polling, decides what the organisation does.

The membership defines.

The membership dictates.

The membership hires and fires.Welcome to "bottom up" democracy.

Sincerely,

Richard H

----- Original Message -----
From: Micheal Sherrill <micheal@beethoven.com>
To: At Large Discuss <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] méthodes de travail normales,


> Hello Ron:
>
> You are shooting the messenger.  We are attempting to elect 11 people to
the panel and a goodly portion of those nominated have not contributed
whatsoever to this organization or, even worse, just joined a few weeks ago.
Now, I am all for getting this thing to move forward but trying to elect
ringers is moving forward off a cliff.
>
> A 5 member panel will probably help us prevent a stacked panel.  That way
we can avoid the ringers and elect those that have worked so hard to keep
this group from collapsing.  Some are surly, yes, but at least I know them,
trust them, and should not have to worry that something does not come out
the back door of a Trojan Horse of a Panel.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Ron Sherwood" <sherwood@islands.vi>
> Date:  Wed, 28 May 2003 06:24:39 -0400
>
>
> At 03:33 p.m. 28/05/2003, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>
> >  I'm for having Joop redo this election with the same candidates in the
> > Polling Booth as a check on any "results" that Jefsey may
> > try and foist on us.
> [snip]
> > Joop, please carry on and set this up, this farce has gone on long
enough.
>
> Sotiris:
>
> This is just too much.  After a year of leadership failure and a zero
score
> on accomplishment.  You have the gall to cast aspersions on the integrity
of
> the two people who are left to do the work of an 11 person team.  If you
> have some 'absolute proof' of wrongdoing coupled with malicious intent by
> either of the election officials, then bring it before the membership.  If
> not, simply shut up and let the election take place.  How dare you (as an
> individual with a vested interest due to your candidacy) ask another
> individual (also with a vested interest due to his candidacy) to run a
> parallel election to suit your needs.
>
> You should be ashamed of your words and your actions.  I hope those
members
> who have not yet voted, take clear note of your ongoing attempt to
> compromise this election with innuendo and character assassination. This
> latest effort to take over the process and run your own election borders
on
> criminal in nature.  You may think you can do everything in the world
better
> than anyone else in the world, but I am here to tell you that it just
ain't
> so.
>
> Bruce and Jefsey are the last remaining members of a legitimately elected
> Panel. They are doing a better job than you, or anyone else, under almost
> impossible circumstances.  I have every faith in them, and your baseless
> denigration is simply a graceless attempt to take total control of the
> process that you are subject to as a candidate.
>
> It is time for you to learn that you have one vote in this election for
each
> panel position.  You can vote for yourself, but you cannot run the
election.
> Stop trying.
>
> Ron Sherwood
>
>
>
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