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RE: [atlarge-discuss] Watchdog members

Joanna,
you certainly have hard time understanding that in this election the watchdogs are not to watch the ballots but to watch me. And that all the members will watch the ballots. This is mandatory because it is not acceptable that a non elected watchdog knows the votes. IDs have nothing to do with it.

Let assume Esther Dyson had said she wanted to be a watchdog. In the way we chose we had no problem. In the way you did not proposed, orgnized and run we would have had a big problem, don't you think? Unless she had been elected knowing her would have served to nothing.

BTW I find odd that someone who volunteers to perform something acoording to an invitation, starts first to object to the invitation terms and wants to run his/her own show. We happen to want to be in democracy. There are members and these members are just voting now. There voice will count in their organization. May be it will be not yours and not mine. But it will be their organization, believe me, and I wish them the best.

Again, let be frank; I do love Bruce's "lead, follow or get off".
jfc






n 21:56 28/05/03, Joanna Lane said:

Along with a few others, I was invited to be a Watchdog by Jefsey, I assume
because I have prior Watchdog experience in ICANN Elections. About the same
time, Joey Borda expressed concern about ID verification for candidates on
the main discuss list. I have spoken with Joey on the phone and am
reasonably certain he is who he says he is, is a trustworthy and reliable
person, with experience as an election officer, hence I had no hesitation in
recommending him as a Watchdog. I believe Jefsey then invited him to join.

I myself resigned as a Watchdog shortly thereafter because I could not agree
with Jefsey's explicit objections to any form of ID verification of the
Watchdogs themselves, most of whom I do not know and have not seen
participating, save Norbert Klein. And while Jefsey did not respond to
reasoned argument, he cited published election rules, while refusing to
provide a copy of the same.

So far as Watchdog working methods are concerned, they bear no relation to
that performed in ICANN DNSO Elections, except in name. It seems the new
role has defined unilaterally by Jefsey unilaterally and so far as I'm
aware, none of the Polling Committee - Jefsey, Bruce or Eric - have any
prior experience as an ICANN Watchdog. No doubt they will correct me if I'm
wrong. I believe one of the mistakes being made in this election, is not
forwarding the ballots in their raw state to Watchdogs, instead stripping
them of any ID. This severely restricts the watchdog's ability to double
check the count, or checking ballots against the valid membership list, and
so on. I would say that the watchdogs seem to be largely a symbolic gesture
rather than fulfilling any meaningful role, hence I wanted no part of it and
resigned.

Regards,
Joanna



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sotiris Sotiropoulos [mailto:sotiris@hermesnetwork.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:03 PM
> To: abel@able-towers.com
> Cc: 'At Large Discuss'
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Watchdog members
>
>
> I forgot to point out the fact that:
>
> www.execlub.org/atlarge.htm
>
> IS NOT the official web site of this organization.
>
> --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
>
>
> Abel Wisman wrote:
>
> >According to www.execlub.org/atlarge.htm :
> >
> >Joe Borda
> >Alexandru Jalba
> >Norbert Klein
> >Thomas Roessler
> >Merle Swain
> >
> >These have "watchdog" with their name so I am assuming they have
> >accepted or offered to act as such.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Abel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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