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RE: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS



That's not correct, though it could be made correct in the future. This election was a bit odd in that, in addition to the voting for panelists, there were also a series of questions for the membership. So, in pure theory, one could have answered some or all of the questions without voting for any of the candidates. But there was no option to express "abstain" rather than voting for any candidate; and if memory serves (I'm not positive on this), there has been no "abstain" option on any prior Panel election we've had.

At 02:36 PM 6/1/2003 -0400, Joanna Lane wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James S. Tyre [mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com]
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS
>
>
> Absolutely opposed.

James,
Your point is mute because there is an "abstain" option in every vote.
Joanna


>
> It is one thing to put procedures in place to verify that
> "members" are in
> fact real people, etc., or to require Panelists to vote at least
> a certain
> percentage of the time.
>
> It is quite another to require members to vote or risk suspension.  Using
> the most recent U.S. Presidential election as but one example, suppose I
> declined to vote for Bush, Gore, Nader or any other third party candidate
> because I was not comfortable voting in favor of any.  Should I lose my
> right to vote in subsequent elections because I made a conscious
> choice not
> to vote for any rather than to vote for the least repugnant?
>
> It is telling that the voter turnout almost always is meaningfully higher
> in one party actual or virtual dictatorships than in (semi) democratic
> societies.  If memory serves, didn't more than 90% vote in favor
> of Saddam
> when he last ran for "election?"
>
> In a semi-democratic society, the right *not* to vote, without
> repercussion, is, and should be, as sacred as the right, and the use of
> that right, to vote.
>
> I state this as a strongly held principled position.  Who I voted for in
> this election is my business, but I did vote.
>
> At 02:47 PM 6/1/2003 -0300, A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
> >Richard,
> >
> >Totally agree !!
> >
> >I would propose that the member that doesn't vote in the elections of a
> >Panel or he doesn't vote in three occasions where it is consulted to the
> >members, be suspended the membership.
> >
> >greetings,
> >Mauro.-
> >
> >   ----- Mensaje original -----
> >   De: Richard Henderson
> >   Para: A/S Mauro D. Ríos ; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> >   CC: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> >   Enviado: domingo, 01 de junio de 2003 13:58
> >   Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS
> >
> >
> >   Mauro
> >
> >   I suspect the 1095 figure for our membership is a fantasy. A
> lot of people
> >   just clicked to join once ages ago but have no further interest in the
> >   organisation. We need to introduce a system of annual membership where
> >   people are given 30 days notice of the expiry of their
> membership. That way
> >   we will keep the *real* membership and contacts up to date. Clearly a
> >   process of verification needs to accompany this, as I've little doubt
> > we are
> >   infiltrated by 'spooks'.
> >
> >   Something for the Membership and Verification Committee to consider?
> >
> >   Richard
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: A/S Mauro D. Ríos <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>
> >   To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> >   Cc: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
> >   Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:47 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS
> >
> >
> >   > Thank Richard.
> >   >
> >   > snip
> >   >
> >   > I continue thinking about the question that I made a lot of
> time ago:
> >   > How legitimacy or does representativeness have a Panel chosen by 216
> >   > voters of 1095 ?
> >   >
> >   > greetings
> >   > Mauro. -

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