RE: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS

["Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>]

This is a non-sequitor.  We do not suggest that individual voters be
denied their vote if not exercised, we refer to the proper constraints
upon officials chosen to perform a duty, that of representing us, and if
they fail in that duty we reserve the right to replace them with others
who will perform it to our satisfaction.  Just as the voting records of
all Congressmen and Senators are available for public view for those who
have the inclination to look for the data, and if they are continually
absent - they run the obvious risk of be voted out.

Sincerely,
 
TTTT
Jeff Holt
Jefftttt@txucom.net
www.tejas-info-services.com
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: James S. Tyre [mailto:jstyre@jstyre.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:24 PM
To: A/S Mauro D. Ríos; Richard Henderson; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Cc: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS

Absolutely opposed.

It is one thing to put procedures in place to verify that "members" are
in 
fact real people, etc., or to require Panelists to vote at least a
certain 
percentage of the time.

It is quite another to require members to vote or risk suspension.
Using 
the most recent U.S. Presidential election as but one example, suppose I

declined to vote for Bush, Gore, Nader or any other third party
candidate 
because I was not comfortable voting in favor of any.  Should I lose my 
right to vote in subsequent elections because I made a conscious choice
not 
to vote for any rather than to vote for the least repugnant?

It is telling that the voter turnout almost always is meaningfully
higher 
in one party actual or virtual dictatorships than in (semi) democratic 
societies.  If memory serves, didn't more than 90% vote in favor of
Saddam 
when he last ran for "election?"

In a semi-democratic society, the right *not* to vote, without 
repercussion, is, and should be, as sacred as the right, and the use of 
that right, to vote.

I state this as a strongly held principled position.  Who I voted for in

this election is my business, but I did vote.

At 02:47 PM 6/1/2003 -0300, A/S Mauro D. Ríos wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Totally agree !!
>
>I would propose that the member that doesn't vote in the elections of a

>Panel or he doesn't vote in three occasions where it is consulted to
the 
>members, be suspended the membership.
>
>greetings,
>Mauro.-
>
>   ----- Mensaje original -----
>   De: Richard Henderson
>   Para: A/S Mauro D. Ríos ; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
>   CC: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
>   Enviado: domingo, 01 de junio de 2003 13:58
>   Asunto: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS
>
>
>   Mauro
>
>   I suspect the 1095 figure for our membership is a fantasy. A lot of
people
>   just clicked to join once ages ago but have no further interest in
the
>   organisation. We need to introduce a system of annual membership
where
>   people are given 30 days notice of the expiry of their membership.
That way
>   we will keep the *real* membership and contacts up to date. Clearly
a
>   process of verification needs to accompany this, as I've little
doubt 
> we are
>   infiltrated by 'spooks'.
>
>   Something for the Membership and Verification Committee to consider?
>
>   Richard
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: A/S Mauro D. Ríos <mdrios@adinet.com.uy>
>   To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
>   Cc: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@club-internet.fr>
>   Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:47 PM
>   Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] REPROT ON ELECTION AND RESULTS
>
>
>   > Thank Richard.
>   >
>   > snip
>   >
>   > I continue thinking about the question that I made a lot of time
ago:
>   > How legitimacy or does representativeness have a Panel chosen by
216
>   > voters of 1095 ?
>   >
>   > greetings
>   > Mauro. -
>   >
>
>
>
>
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