RE: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Committee

["Jeff Holt" <jefftttt@txucom.net>]

The name is Jeff, not James.  And the reference is inaccurate and
inflammatory in that it implies the attacks were on a particular
religious group when in fact the targets were Iraqi forces under the
regime of S. Hussein.  The fact that such reference is outside of the
realm of this Forum makes mention of it inappropriate.  As for
shambolic, fine, slaughter the King's English your way and I'll
slaughter it my way... Esoteric definitions are not my forte' and
word-games are for dilettantes. 

"Them that can DO, them that can't, TEACH." 

If you wish to start a debate on World Politics, there are many
available venues for that elsewhere....  Admire whoever you wish, just
do not expect emulation or admiration from those who would protect that
right you enjoy.

Sincerely,

TTTT 
Jeff Holt
Jefftttt@txucom.net
www.tejas-info-services.com
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 2:18 PM
To: Jeff Holt; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Committee

Dear James

I won't develop a thread on this but:

You find the comment "America bombs Moslems" offensive. Why is a
statement
of fact offensive?

"America bombing Moslems" was what was offensive.... to most people in
Europe, and certainly to the people who were killed.

Current civilian deaths recorded in the UK/American attack: 5000 - that
was
too many, and does nothing to engender trust in the Arab world or reduce
the
threat of terrorism. A shame the US media didn't focus as much attention
on
each of those children and women and men as they did on *one* American
soldier mysteriously 'rescued' from her hospital (who will undoubtedly
feature in a sanitised Hollywood film - excuse me while I puke up over
the
facile sentimentality of that 'spin'). The attack took place in defiance
of
the international community. The French were heroic in their principled
stand - I have tremendous admiration for them. The people of Europe were
massively in their favour as the opinion polls showed. But I accept that
you
may take a different view of history (as presented by the learned Fox
News)
and you're entitled to.

Moreover, reviewing my mail, I think the remark I made was unnecessary
in
the context of my mail to Dan, and so although I do'nt think it was
inaccurate (Sorry, but Americans *DID* bomb Moslems), I apologise for
making
it in that context.

We all share the net and we fight for Internet Users right to use it :
for
example, two of my sites - www.iraqwar.co.uk for my local website (and
please note, Dan Tobias, the misuse again of .co.uk!); and a critical
site I
am just beginning, to highlight the dangerous imperialistic ambitions of
some Americans : www.newamericancentury.info about the ludicrous
"Campaign
for a New American Century"... sorry but I prefer a Century for the
World.

On the subject of the word "shambolic", I politely suggest it is a
little
ambitious for an American to lecture an Englishman (and particularly an
English teacher) on English. We've been using it here for 1600 years!
Unfortunately if Americans don't like English they'll have to find a
language of their own - English is English!

I assure you that in English English there is indeed such a word as
"shambolic".
Oxford English Dictionary (that is *THE* dictionary): adjective:
chaotic,
unorganised

Interestingly the word shambles (from Anglo-Saxon 'scamul') can also be
used
to mean: a scene of carnage (like the Market Place in Baghdad).

Now... let's try not to fall out over our transatlantic cultural divide,
when we have fine things in common to work together for here... you keep
Disney, I'll keep Shakespeare, and I trust we can get on swell!

yrs

Richard Henderson
(hoping this is the end of this thread!)


----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Holt <jefftttt@txucom.net>
To: 'Richard Henderson' <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>;
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Committee


> Richard,
>
> Your comment about "America bombs Moslems" is offensive and uncalled
for
> as well as inaccurate and inflammatory.
>
> And FYI, there is no such word as "shambolic", which could lead a
person
> to believe that any who would use the abomination would be the same
> individual.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Holt
> Jefftttt@txucom.net
> www.tejas-info-services.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 11:40 AM
> To: Daniel R. Tobias; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Committee
>
> Dan, Dan...
>
> This can't be good for your heart, you know...
>
> You have an obsession with taxonomy
>
> So I chose a .co.uk ending (because I felt like it at the time)
>
> I agree! You're right! But there you go, the world is shambolic...
>
> Better still, the use of subdomains is bang on target, and has been
> urged
> for some time
>
> Meanwhile... America bombs Moslems... half the world starves...
>
> I guess a tld here or there will just happen
>
> kind regards
>
> Richard H
>
> "Internet for the World, not just America"
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel R. Tobias <dan@tobias.name>
> To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership Committee
>
>
> > On 1 Jun 2003 at 15:49, Richard Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.icannatlarge.co.uk/draftbylawsarticle05.htm
> >
> > (grumble) Not *another* maybe-official, maybe-not, stupid
unnecessary
> > domain name connected to ICANNAtLarge... in this case,
> > "icannatlarge.co.uk", it's not only in an inappropriate second-level
> > domain (.co.uk is for commercial entities in the U.K.; .org.uk would
> > be more appropriate for noncommercial endeavors), but if it's
> > actually
> > an official branch of ICANNAtLarge, it ought to be done as a logical
> > subdomain of icannatlarge.org.
> >
> > --
> > == Dan ==
> > Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/
> > Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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