Re: [atlarge-discuss] Bylaws Discussion

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joanna and all fellow members,

Joanna Lane wrote:

> Joop wrote:
>
> "Joanna does not want a backup organization to guarantee our survival once
> the "official" one is captured."
> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0306/msg00018.html

  Joop often sticks both feet in his mouth as I think you already
know Joanna.  And for that reason in part he played a central
role in Killing off the IDNO.  Joop as far as ICANN is
concerned is a tar baby.  We don't need that as a leadership
quality or trait.

>
>
> Thank you for removing the last remaining doubts I had that this list is
> complete waste of my time.  For the record, my proposed amendment to the
> Bylaws, Article 1. Name of the Organization, specifically, adds the
> following phrase, "once selected,[name of the organization] shall be
> registered as a trademark with the relevant authorities."

  And it should be Registered and a TM.  But it doesn't have
to be.  However as ICANNATLARGE.ORG is a poor
name for this fledgling organization it was the name that
the majority of members voted for.  I think that was
a huge mistake and did not favor it as a good name
at the time...

>
>
> I can't even be bothered to work out how you arrived at your unfounded
> allegation from that statement, but if you want to guarantee survival in any
> form, then at the very least you need to:-
>
> 1) stop dragging up old archive comments and reposting them out of context
> 2) stop having conversations with yourself about what members really believe

  Joop seems to sometimes believe that he and he alone knows
what the members desire or should desire.  That is yet another
character flaw that we don't want in any leadership position
for this type or organization.

>
> 3) stop undermining the "official" organization by talk of failure and the
> need for a "back up"

  Good point here as well.

>
> 4) start formulating a critical response to ICANN's ALAC structure for
> RALO's which makes this "official" organization an irrelevance.

  Effectively this organization as a part of ICANN is irrelevant
and has been for some time. Hence the need IMHO for a name
change and a mind change on the part of some members...

>
>
> Instead, you are putting members in harm's way by playing around with
> someone else's trademark, as if you're dependant upon ICANN and can't stand
> up on your own without their support, if only in name.

  ICANN does not have a TM on every name with the string
"ICANN" as part of a potential name.  None the less,
playing around with ICANNATLARGE.ORG as a name
is damaging in and of itself for many other reasons that
will damage this membership eventually in many ways...

  It seems to me anyway that Joop for one, desires
to try to borrow from ICANN it's name and by doing
so, recoup his $15k he claims he lost because of ICANN.
That to me is a poor way to go about building and
organization for representation of stakeholder/users...


> Your only chance of
> getting away with it is if ICANN never takes you seriously enough to send a
> cease and desist letter, which in my book is a capture, and one that can
> easily be avoided by choosing an original name that is registered as a
> trademark from the outset.

  Jefsey was supposed to have done this in France some time ago
now.  He didn't because he could not or would not afford
the cost of doing so.  And this is yet another central problem
that many members here refuse to deal with, and I mean
funding here...

> But hey, what do you care if the "official"
> organization can never operate in the US for fear of being sued, you will
> have your "back up", right? Right, carry on then.

  Well said here.  And food for thought also...

>
>
> Other misleading and unfounded allegations deleted.
>
> Joanna
>
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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