Re: [icann-eu] At Large Study web site, members

["Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>]

Everyone with any grip on reality knows that there is a sort of ICANN
'loyal opposition'.  These are people who think that your management of
the entity has been a PR and practical disaster.  These are people who
voted for Karl and Andy instead of the candidates nominated by ICANN's
hand-picked Nominating Committee. 

Everyone involved in ICANN could easily name a number of such people.
Since they can elect candidates they obviously have at least some
substantial support. They tend to be the strongest belivers in the
At-Large concept as originally endorsed by ICANN in its agreement with
the U.S. government.  In your opinion, is there a single one of these
people on the Bildt committee?  If so, who?  If not, why?

When I look at the list, I see people from the ICANN establishment (e.g.
former Board members) and/or the gTLD-MoU, and I see distinguished
neutrals. I don't see a single solitary representative of the internal
opposition, not to mention the people who got disgusted with the process
and left it. To me, it is as if the state of Florida convened a committee
on electoral reform and named a bunch of honest Republicans, distinguished
Independents, and no Democrats.

Your personal attacks on the people who dare to stand up to you (starting
with your famous "arrogant juveniles" remark and continuing unabated to
the present day), well illustrates the depth of the problems ICANN faces.

Incidentally, no one, not even 'U.S. liberals,' should need your
permission to participate in ICANN.  Even if this makes life tougher for
businesses.

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Mike Roberts wrote:

> Hans - this sort of foolishness is just going to confirm the total 
> irrelevancy of your efforts in the minds of the people willing to 
> give the U.S. liberals another chance to participate effectively in 
> At Large.
> 
> You're talking about someone who had run a national political 
> campaign and been elected Prime Minister of a European country; 
> someone who has been going to the Balkans routinely now for several 
> years at considerable risk to his own life to attempt to get people 
> there to enter dialogue and make peace with each after 800 years of 
> animosity; someone who was and is a leader in the Swedish 
> communications industry which has a world class standing.
> 
> So this is the guy who is a phony front for Vint Cerf or Mike Roberts?
> 
> Get a life.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
> At 15:06 -0500 3/1/01, Hans Klein wrote:
> >The point about "independence" is a good one. 
> >
> >In the US, Carl Bildt would be described as a "political appointee."
> >Political appointees act as surrogates for the people who appoint them.
> >Carl Bildt is an impressive individual, but he cannot be described as
> >"independent of ICANN."
> >
> >Hans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 08:29 PM 3/1/01 +0100, Cees Rindmarsch wrote:
> >>Mike Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >>>Let's now concentrate on participating in the study, which is being
> >>>conducted independently of ICANN and its staff.
> >>
> >>Independently of ICANN?
> >>
> >>"The At Large Membership Study Committee Chair, Carl Bildt, and Vice Chairs,
> >>Chuck Costello and Pindar Wong, nominated the following individuals as
> >>Committee Members and submitted their names to the ICANN Board of Directors
> >>for ratification: Pierre Dandjinou etc."
> >>(http://www.atlargestudy.org/members.html)
> >>
> >>And Bildt and his vice chairs were appointed by the ICANN board
> >>(http://www.icann.org/announcements/icann-pr26jan01.htm).
> >>
> >>Independently of ICANN? The word independent must have gotten a new meaning
> >>recently. Perhaps it already started with the "independent" UDRP arbitration
> >>and the way in which panelists are appointed or selected. If ICANN does not
> >>changes the internet, it certainly changes the language.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Cees Rindmarsch (cees@rindmarsch.com)
> >>_________________________________________________________________________
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> >>
> 
> 

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