[icann-europe] Re: [ecdiscuss] Ester Dyson - the great fall from heaven (fwd)

[Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>]

On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Marianne Wolfsgruber wrote:

> Joe,
>
> is there any possibility that someone is able to convince you to stay at
> your .god planet? It would also be a fantastic idea just to send emails to
> people which are in _your_ root, which gives people like me and some others
> the opportunity not to live with you in the same _virtual_ world.

no - it's important to be here and rub your collective techno bureacratic
noses in the mess you created.  i've always enjoyed the show you know ;)

> It would make the world better, maybe you could think about it ? Maybe
> there is a possibility that we do not have to live with your junk anymore?

and someday we won't have to live with your junk.

> Not necessary to say that the email below is absolutely disgusting and
> against the human dignity of any woman in this business.

ester is not a woman.  i really do hate women hiding behind their
vaginas as if it's some spiritual alter.  under law she is equal.  at best
she's a civil servant who desearves all the critic she can get.  at worst
she's a rat with a keen understanding of the sinking ship concept.

people like ester have screwed the little people - and it's a real
pleasure to she her get her just rewards.

incedentally Marianne - have you seen your whois record - another fine
example of icann management - enjoy

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>
> Marianne Wolfsgruber
>
>
>
>
> At 08:11 07/02/2003, Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> >There's one thing about Ester Dyson I've always admired - her tits.  But
> >she's also a mystery.  How people ever took her seriously - I have no
> >idea.  Her understanding of the net is at best juvenile.  Which leads me
> >to believe that those who ever took her seriously must also be juvenile.
> >
> >Ester played a key role in ICANN and ICANN played a key role in destroying
> >the U.S. root system.  Of course I predicted this some 5 years ago (?) or
> >so.  And now I predict Ester's eclipse.  But shes always welcomed in my
> >home - provided shes topless.
> >
> >Bye bye Ester - you can press the delete button now .....
> >
> >    Dyson cleans out her closet
> >    By Bill Thompson
> >    Posted: 06/02/2003 at 21:24 GMT
> >
> >    Esther Dyson, one of the key figures in the development of the
> >    commercial Internet, advisor to Al Gore, promoter of the Net in
> >    Eastern Europe and poster woman for the dotcom millionaires, went to
> >    massive lengths today to distance herself from the failures of ICANN,
> >    the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. Despite
> >    having been a Founding Director, Dyson now says that her involvement
> >    in ICANN's development was actually very limited.
> >
> >    "I was peripherally involved", she claimed. "I went to a few meetings
> >    and we discussed a bunch of topics. but for my sins of negligence I
> >    ended up being invited to join the board of ICANN when it was
> >    created."
> >
> >    Dyson also attempted to downplay the importance of the first board of
> >    directors, of which she was a key member, saying "we were not supposed
> >    to be the final board. we were supposed to figure out the transition
> >    to the final board". She also acknowledged that many of the criticisms
> >    made were justified: ICANN was unaccountable, secretive and
> >    inefficient in its early days.
> >
> >    "ICANN is not perfect", she admitted, "and I'm not really here to
> >    defend it." However she did attempt to justify its continued
> >    existence, saying: "I'm a critic who thinks these things are hard to
> >    do and I can't see any other way."
> >
> >    The unexpected confessional may have been prompted by her current need
> >    to re-establish credibility with the net community as she works to
> >    develop proposals for getting ordinary users involved in the
> >    formulation of ICANN policy through the At Large advisory committee
> >    which she chairs.
> >
> >    "We want public input into ICANN", she said. "We've got a mechanism
> >    where it can have a seat on the task forces, liaisons to working
> >    groups, be part of the policy making process - I see that in many ways
> >    as more important than having a seat on the board." Others, of course,
> >    may disagree.
> >
> >    Dyson was speaking in the Oxford Union at a conference called 'The
> >    Politics of Code', jointly organised by the Oxford Internet Institute
> >    and the Programme in Comparative Media Law and Politics at Oxford
> >    University.
> >
> >    The one day conference brought together many net luminaries, including
> >    Professor Lawrence Lessig from Stanford University, Alan Davidson of
> >    the Center for Democracy and Technology and Harvard Alvestrand, chair
> >    of the IETF.
> >
> >    The goal was to debate two complementary issues: how program code
> >    controls our online behaviour, and how the net can be regulated by
> >    governments rather than companies.
> >
> >    Lessig, jet-lagged and miserable after losing Eldred vs Ashcroft, was
> >    entertaining but didn't say anything new. Fortunately the last session
> >    was enlivened by a witty contribution from CDT's Alan Davidson, who
> >    gave a talk which poked fun at the different cultures of the standards
> >    bodies ("In the Web Consortium you pay to play, everybody votes, then
> >    Tim decides. At the IETF you hum") while giving several good reasons
> >    why you should believe it when a lawyer turns up at a technical
> >    meeting saying 'I'm here to help.'
> >
> >    Then it was off to drinks in Oxford's delightful Ashmolean Museum,
> >    where the real work of the day got done as contacts were established,
> >    names put to email addresses and new alliances forged. Let's just hope
> >    the policy makers and lawyers get their act together before the
> >    pigopolist revolution is complete. ®
> >
> >Joe Baptista - only at www.baptista.god
> >
> >   .ufo domain registration http://www.register.ufo
>


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