Re: [atlarge-discuss] news from bucharest: at large existsagain

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

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From: "Izumi AIZU" <izumi@anr.org>
To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] news from bucharest: at large existsagain


> Here's the draft of what I just said in the Public Forum in Bucharest.
>
> izumi
> ---------------
> As one of 7 elected members of interim panel of icannatlarge.com, but
> speaking only for
> myself now, I like to point out the strong need for the recognition and
> implementation
> of At-Large participatory structure by the Board which will lead the
> appropriate allocation
> of decision-making position at the Board level to At-Large.

Aizu-san  - SO this says "Since I am one of the officials, but here I am
only speaking for myself..."  - Either you are speaking as one of the seven
or as a private citizen, so which is it and why mention the other status if
you are not speaking from it as well?

>
> In some countries and cultures, without invitation or recognition, people
> will anyway
> speak up and demand their interests be included in decision-making. In
> other parts of the
> world however, it is more difficult to expect that to happen. They tend to
> wait. So if you
> do not consciously "reach-out" to the users, individual and others, and
> provide adequate
> incentives for participation and representation, ICANN will definitely
> become like an
> ordinary trade association dominated by providers. I think that is not
> healthy and will
> give harm to the providers themselves.
>
> Finally, as we are working hard to self-organize the at-large members
> globally, I again
> like to call for the formal adoption of At-Large participation mechanism
> and therefore
> welcomes the idea of At-Large Advisory Committee as the first one small
> step for us
> here now, but hope it to become the one giant leap for ICANN and all the
> players in
> the long run globally.

So what was the result of this commntary by you?

>
> At 16:10 02/06/27 +0300, Alexander Svensson wrote:
>
> >At 27.06.2002 08:50, James Love wrote:
> > >Vittorio, there is a big problem that you should mention.  The
> > Esther/Board version of the at-large is the exact opposite of what it
> > was.  Instead of the public electing their own leaders, now the ICANN
> > board will pick which members of the public can speak for the public.
> >
> >I think you get it wrong. The AC members will not be picked
> >by the Board, but by organizations composed of Internet users.
> >*IF* the Board should accept and implement such an ALAC at
> >all. BTW, I believe it's good that these organizations (and
> >e.g. their membership lists and resources like web sites and
> >mailing lists) are not under the control of ICANN.
> >
> > >You know.  Like in the old USSR.   As you know, individual cannot join
> > >the at large on their own,
> >
> >? Individuals can of course join these so-called At Large
> >structures; that's the whole point of At Large!
> >
> > >and ICANN will decide which organizations can join,
> > >and ICANN will decide who "really" represents user interests, and how.
> >
> >...unless there are good criteria for such organizations
> >which can be applied neutrally.
> >
> >I'm not highly enthusiastic for the ALAC idea, to make that
> >clear. But it *may* be a way the At Large could prove that it's
> >not only discussing At Large itself, but also handle issues like
> >Whois, new TLDs etc. and have a meaningful role in policy
> >development. (Don't attack the messenger, please: I believe
> >that the At Large can do that. Some Board members clearly
> >don't.)
> >
> >Best regards,
> >/// Alexander
> >
> >
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