[atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] AW: RE: Mission Statement

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

I respect all your efforts, Wolfgang, but on this issue I personally think
it should be the oher way round. We should first define our Mission as it
exists OUTSIDE Icann, and only as a secondary and subordinate should we
consider a sub-clause of the Misson Statement which refers to Icann.

Our agenda is broader than ICANN - it has to envisage ANY Internet future.

Our mandate comes not from Icann but from millions of Internet users.

I agree with Joanna that, at present, your proposed Mission Statement fails
to take account of the fact that we are ONE organisation (not "two
levels") - and that within that ONE organisation, our dealings with Icann
are debatable, provisional, and frankly a subsidiary to our major aim.

Our major aim is not to contort ourselves to do business with Icann : it is
to be true to ourselves, in setting up a global democratic organisation
representing millions of users. That is the heart of our mission and our
agenda, and Denise Michel's "show" is more or less a "game" which Icann is
playing with us because they fear us.

This "show" should not be afforded a central place in our Mission Statement,
and Icann should be regarded as an awkward and provisional organisation -
hostile to democratic representation - which may be here for six months or
may be here longer.

So I believe we need to write the Mission Statement from OUR agenda, outside
of Icann, independent of Icann, but willing to TELL Icann our demands if we
so choose.

Our Mission Statement is about developing a global movement. Icann is a tiny
subordinate clause in that great project.

Kind regards

Richard Henderson

PS nevertheless, my sincere thanks for your genuine commitment and efforts :
what is becoming obvious to me is that the development of a Mission
Statement will only be fully achieved the other side of the elections, by
people with a less ephemeral mandate. I don't think we have any agreement or
consensus on this yet.

PPS at the risk of sounding intemperate, I have to agree with Joanna over
the term "jerks" too : some of the prime movers in and around the Icann
leadership are in my opinion dishonest, deceptive individuals who I could
never truly do business with : they may claim to "reform" their organisation
(which is a sick joke - all they're doing is securing their powerbase and
abandoning democratic accountability), but they show NO signs of reforming
themselves. The problem lies with a corrupt central power clique in my
opinion, and therefore our organisation should totally base itself OUTSIDE
their sordid and corrupt regime. Denise Michel's interface is just an
attempt to control dissent.

----- Original Message -----
From: <wolfgang@imv.au.dk>
To: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>; Vittorio Bertola <vb@vitaminic.net>; Izumi
AIZU <izumi@anr.org>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>;
<atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: [atlarge-panel] AW: RE: Mission Statement


> Dear Joanna,
>
> I agree in some respect but disagree as long as we call our organisation
icannatlarge.com.
>
> If we change the name into internetatlarge.com or dnsatlarge.com I would
join your basic points. As long as we call ourselves icannatlarge.com we can
not avoid to link ourselves to ICANN.
>
> My understanding from the Bukarest meeting and my discussion with Jamie
was that we are moving towards a strategy on two levels: Level 1 is inside
ICANN; Level 2 is outside ICANN. Both levels are interlinked but rather
different. The proposed mission statement is for level 1. My understanding
of your intervention is that you propose another statement for a level 2
organisation.
>
> We should not mix the two levels. This will create misleading confusion
>
> I think it makes sense to clarify this first before we continue to
formulate detailed missions.
>
>
> Best regards
>
> wolfgang
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Nachricht--
> Von: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
> An: wolfgang@imv.au.dk,Vittorio Bertola <vb@vitaminic.net>,Izumi AIZU
<izumi@anr.org>,atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de,atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> Senden: 02:46 PM
> Betreff: RE: Mission Statement
>
>
> Hello Wolfgang,
>
> We do NOT need a Mission that ensures no At Large organization can exist
> unless ICANN is running the show, which is exactly what your Statement
seeks
> to establish and rush through prior to the election of the new Executive.
> I'm not buying it, sorry.
>
> You would have the At Large effort, the only one that accepts individual
> members that ICANN recognizes, focused exclusively on working inside a
> collapsed corporation that is undergoing a radical make-over, whose exact
> form is not yet known, and you would have us trust the same people who
> failed at the same job first time round to determine our place in the
> overall scheme of things, and in the meantime, we'll all just give up our
> rights to vote, lie down and die. Does that really sound like a good
Mission
> to you?
>
> Work inside ICANN if you must, but do not throw all individual At largers
> into a common future with a collapsed US corporation that is struggling to
> reinvent itself in credible form. There are many here whose aim is much
> higher, and do not see very much of ICANN in their future, if any at all.
>
> Personally, I want a mission statement that at least talks about fostering
> the means to return benefits derived from the internet to the public at
> large, something that ICANN will never address, even though it is the
reason
> for its very existence.
>
> There are numerous public interest organizations throughout the world from
> which to draw charters and mission statements. It is written already -
stop
> making it up - go and find it in proven organizations with generations of
> experience on which to draw - the Red Cross - the BBC and the like - what
we
> do not need is more ICANN doublespeak - what we do need is an At large
built
> on a foundation of solid principles that all members can agree will
*protect
> the public interest in the internet*, regardless of which jerks are
running
> the show.
>
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
> P.S. I wouldn't be pushing the word "ICANN" into every sentence, since
> a
> makeover is about the only way left for Mary Hewitt to limit the damage
> mounting on her desk from bad press - so you might want to rephrase that
as
> the Ministry of Internet Stability and Security in due course, or
something
> suitably Orwellian anyway.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wolfgang@imv.au.dk
> [mailto:wolfgang@imv.au.dk]
> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:02 AM
> > To: Vittorio Bertola; Izumi AIZU; Joanna Lane;
> > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de;
> atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Mission Statement
> >
> >
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > this is the second effort to distribute the first draft of the
> > mission statement (non-paper). According to the procedure agreed
> > in Bukarest, we should discuss, amend and change it first among
> > ourselves and then present it (Thurtsday/Fridy) to all members.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > The Mission of icannatlarge.com is
> >
> > · to involve individuals in identifying and analysing issues of
> > interests for individual internet users related to the management
> > of the Internet Domain Name System, IP Addresses, Internet
> > Protocols and the Root Server System;
> > · to stimulate discussion and a bottom up policy development
> > among individual Internet users worldwide in fields covered by
> > the activities of the Internet Coorporation of Assigned Names and
> > Numbers (ICANN);
> > · to elect representatives by the global individual Internet
> > users community which will coordinate the activities of
> > icannatlarge.com and interact with ICANN and its bodies;
> > · to reflect the opinions and interests of individual users in
> > the policy formulation and decision-making process of ICANN and
> > to elaborate recommendations with an impact on resulting policies;
> > · to participate in ICANNīs bottom up policy development and
> > decision making processes and to work within the ICANN structure
> towards
> > · openess and transparency;
> > · accountability;
> > · geographical and functional diversity in the composition of
> > Boards, Committees, Task Forces, Working Groups, SOs and other
> > bodies, establishd by ICANN;
> > · to evaluate critically the development of ICANN from an
> > individual Internet users perspective;
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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