[atlarge-discuss] Re: First Things First Re: [atlarge-discuss] Vittorio Bertola's candidation statement

[Erick Iriarte Ahon <faia@amauta.rcp.net.pe>]

I'm try to understand you.

If you want to say, the a few group of US people can do it more than a 
diversity and representantive group, i'm desagree with you.

I don't want to sabotage anything, i want a real-representative group. 
Democracy is the possibility of anyone to say anything, and participate in 
every space of discuss, if you put only a group, for "eficience", this is 
not a representative group, this not a democratic group.

Never i said you have a "conspiracy theory", and i'm not Fox Mulder to 
search X-Files, i'm try to defend my point of view, i believe in a 
real-representative-global process. And believe in persons around the world 
that work hard for the Internet in each country all the time.

Don't close your mind only for the thing that you know, open your mind to 
the world.

Erick Iriarte Ahon from Latin America!! (a very interesting place in this 
world!!)



At 04:15 p.m. 24/07/2002 +0000, j.oppenheimer@att.net wrote:
>Representation and accountability - At Large voting, and
>adequate seats on the Board - Election, not Selection --
>at the ICANN/whomever Global Internet Governance level --
>  is what it will take to obtain the goals of different
>regions and peoples.
>
>So if First Things First is "simplistic" then so be it.
>
>I do wonder if some peoples' interest in "geographic
>diversity" in this forum at this point and time, is a
>way of sabotaging this board, ie creating a potentially
>less effective board in the name of political
>correctness.  Sounds so good and works so well (for
>those who'd prefer this group fail.)
>
>Erick, fyi, I don't mean you.
>
>I'm not a conspiracy theorist.  I'm not known for
>mincing my words.  Nor am I known for erroneous
>speculation or predictions.
>
>In fact, sad to say I have a very good track record in
>these matters (sad because I'd prefer that what goes on,
>didn't.)
>
>J
>
>--
>Judith Oppenheimer
>http://JudithOppenheimer.com
>http://ICBTollFreeNews.com
>http://WhoSells800.com
>212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert
> > Excuse-me but you are very wrong in your comment.
> >
> > in special with this:
> >
> > >Show me a European, Asian, African, South American, etc.
> > >candidate who can match intent, integrity, wits and
> > >expertise with the folks mentioned above and they've got
> > >my vote.
> >
> > If you think only US people have the opportunity to defend the Internet,
> > you have a little problem. And not only the "good lobby", make 
> "expertise",
> > each person from anothers region work-hard for the Internet in their
> > countries and regions.
> >
> > So, I defend Vittorio Bertola participation, and i know some names of your
> > list, dear Judith, and i hope James love , Milton Muller , Michael
> > Froomklin, and anothers think in a global internet, not only for US people.
> >
> > Please think the Internet, is very different in each region, in some place
> > like Peru close the digital divide, in anothers is usseful for connect far
> > regions; and each experience is good and necessary to understand that this
> > is a global process.
> >
> > Don't make this a US place, make a Global Place, the internet is for all,
> > not only for you.
> >
> > Maybe this is a "strong" and don't polite email, but please think in a
> > global internet.
> >
> > Y creo que quedo bastante claro, y para aquellos que puedan entender el
> > espaņol, seņores.. aqui no estamos para pelearnos por quien es mejor en su
> > pais, aqui estamos peleando por defender un Internet en el cual todos
> > creemos, y decir que "muestren" a alguien idoneo en otras regiones, es
> > pensar fuera de sitio, es desconocer el esfuerzo de mucha gente, noble,
> > buena, trabajadora, experta, y eso no es justo para nadie, todo ser humano
> > es igual a otro, no importa de donde venga, y no nos olvidemos que
> > globalizar no es comer todos Mcdonalds, sino conocer y respetar al otro en
> > su individualidad compartiendo un mismo planeta.
> >
> > Erick Iriarte Ahon
> > Latinoamericann
> > http://latinoamericann.derecho.org.ar
> >
> >
> > At 02:14 p.m. 24/07/2002 +0000, j.oppenheimer@att.net wrote:
> > >Vittorio, I don't want to be argumentative with you and
> > >I recognize your sincerity and the time and effort
> > >you've invested here, but it is misleading to say that
> > >any measure of At Large has been retained by ICANN.
> > >
> > >At Large is a voting body with board seats.  Remove the
> > >votes and board seats, and you remove At Large.  Which
> > >is exactly what ICANN has done.
> > >
> > >As for geographic diversity, I'll take all the Jamie
> > >Loves, Ted Byfields, Karl Auerbachs, Michael Froomkins
> > >and Milt Muellers I can get, no matter their locations,
> > >because they have the integrity, desire, **history and
> > >expertise** to push ICANN (or whatever replaces it)
> > >toward the goal of democratic geographic representation.
> > >
> > >The same cannot be said of well-meaning but
> > >inexperienced persons merely because they come from
> > >diverse areas of the world.
> > >
> > >Show me a European, Asian, African, South American, etc.
> > >candidate who can match intent, integrity, wits and
> > >expertise with the folks mentioned above and they've got
> > >my vote.
> > >
> > >But anything less is counterproductive.
> > >
> > >J
> > >
> > >--
> > >Judith Oppenheimer
> > >http://JudithOppenheimer.com
> > >http://ICBTollFreeNews.com
> > >http://WhoSells800.com
> > >212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert
> > > > MY CANDIDATION STATEMENT
> > > >
> > > > I am an Engineer, 27, and live in Turin, Italy; I am an active At
> > > > Large member since 2000, and I am presently the Chairman of
> > > > icannatlarge.com. I have been spending most of my time in the last
> > > > months actively working for our organization and defending our cause
> > > > in ICANN, submitting documents and proposals, and flying on my own
> > > > money to Bucharest, to talk with Board members and save some space,
> > > > even if tiny, for the At Large in ICANN - in which we succeeded.
> > > >
> > > > I believe that the Internet is a vital resource for the whole world;
> > > > that its administration must be under the control of the global
> > > > public; and that ICANN has been deliberately trying, in the last
> > > > years, to put itself out of such control.
> > > >
> > > > This organization has to practically work to gain strength and
> > > > credibility, so that its voice can get stronger and stronger. We have
> > > > to get help and pressure on ICANN to defend the original plans for At
> > > > Large elections of the Board. However, it is very likely that ICANN
> > > > will survive and preserve its power. This is why we must keep a
> > > > dialogue open with all ICANN participants and get support from them
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I am worried by the excessive stress that many candidates put on
> > > > interactions with the US Government, and by the high number of
> > > > candidates from the US. This organization needs members and leaders
> > > > from all the world; it must defend the diversity and the independence
> > > > of the Internet, not call for governmental involvement.
> > > >
> > > > There is still much to do, and we don't have many resources. We have
> > > > to follow the thin line of practical compromises that stands between
> > > > the sterile dream of ICANN's sudden death, and submission to ICANN's
> > > > bad plans. It's the hardest way, but the only one that is guaranteed
> > > > to produce results in the long term.
> > > >
> > > > So... I think that no one has spent more time and energy than me for
> > > > this organization, and I really want to continue working and
> > > > contributing my skills. This is why, I think, I deserve your vote
> > > > again. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MORE INFORMATION
> > > >
> > > > My statement for the first elections of icannatlarge.com (with more
> > > > information on myself and my ideas)
> > > > http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=455#455
> > > >
> > > > My submissions to ICANN's Reform Committee:
> > > > (1)
> > > > http://forum.icann.org/reform-comments/general/pdf00011.pdf
> > > > (2)
> > > > http://forum.icann.org/reform-comments/structure/pdf00000.pdf
> > > >
> > > > My rough proposals for the ALAC
> > > > http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00408.html
> > > >
> > > > My Bylaws proposals for icannatlarge.com
> > > > http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36
> > > >
> > > > The atlarge-panel list (to review my acts as current panel member)
> > > > http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/
> > > >
> > > > My proposal for At Large organization at Nov 2000 ICANN meeting
> > > > http://www.icannmembers.org/Props/prop-7.html
> > > >
> > > > My candidation statement for year 2000 At Large elections
> > > > http://icann.bertola.eu.org/
> > > >
> > > > You could also browse through my postings on the atlarge-discuss
> > > > (http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/), DNSO GA
> > > > (http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaarchives.html) and icann-europe
> > > > (http://www.fitug.de/icann-europe/) lists (unfortunately no per-author
> > > > search is available).
> > > > --
> > > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] 
> bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > > ----------------------> http://bertola.eu.org/ 
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