[atlarge-discuss] First Things First Re: [atlarge-discuss] Vittorio Bertola's candidation statement

[j.oppenheimer@att.net]

Representation and accountability - At Large voting, and 
adequate seats on the Board - Election, not Selection -- 
at the ICANN/whomever Global Internet Governance level --
 is what it will take to obtain the goals of different 
regions and peoples.

So if First Things First is "simplistic" then so be it.  

I do wonder if some peoples' interest in "geographic 
diversity" in this forum at this point and time, is a 
way of sabotaging this board, ie creating a potentially 
less effective board in the name of political 
correctness.  Sounds so good and works so well (for 
those who'd prefer this group fail.)

Erick, fyi, I don't mean you.  

I'm not a conspiracy theorist.  I'm not known for 
mincing my words.  Nor am I known for erroneous 
speculation or predictions.

In fact, sad to say I have a very good track record in 
these matters (sad because I'd prefer that what goes on, 
didn't.)

J

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> Excuse-me but you are very wrong in your comment.
> 
> in special with this:
> 
> >Show me a European, Asian, African, South American, etc.
> >candidate who can match intent, integrity, wits and
> >expertise with the folks mentioned above and they've got
> >my vote.
> 
> If you think only US people have the opportunity to defend the Internet, 
> you have a little problem. And not only the "good lobby", make "expertise", 
> each person from anothers region work-hard for the Internet in their 
> countries and regions.
> 
> So, I defend Vittorio Bertola participation, and i know some names of your 
> list, dear Judith, and i hope James love , Milton Muller , Michael 
> Froomklin, and anothers think in a global internet, not only for US people.
> 
> Please think the Internet, is very different in each region, in some place 
> like Peru close the digital divide, in anothers is usseful for connect far 
> regions; and each experience is good and necessary to understand that this 
> is a global process.
> 
> Don't make this a US place, make a Global Place, the internet is for all, 
> not only for you.
> 
> Maybe this is a "strong" and don't polite email, but please think in a 
> global internet.
> 
> Y creo que quedo bastante claro, y para aquellos que puedan entender el 
> espaņol, seņores.. aqui no estamos para pelearnos por quien es mejor en su 
> pais, aqui estamos peleando por defender un Internet en el cual todos 
> creemos, y decir que "muestren" a alguien idoneo en otras regiones, es 
> pensar fuera de sitio, es desconocer el esfuerzo de mucha gente, noble, 
> buena, trabajadora, experta, y eso no es justo para nadie, todo ser humano 
> es igual a otro, no importa de donde venga, y no nos olvidemos que 
> globalizar no es comer todos Mcdonalds, sino conocer y respetar al otro en 
> su individualidad compartiendo un mismo planeta.
> 
> Erick Iriarte Ahon
> Latinoamericann
> http://latinoamericann.derecho.org.ar
> 
> 
> At 02:14 p.m. 24/07/2002 +0000, j.oppenheimer@att.net wrote:
> >Vittorio, I don't want to be argumentative with you and
> >I recognize your sincerity and the time and effort
> >you've invested here, but it is misleading to say that
> >any measure of At Large has been retained by ICANN.
> >
> >At Large is a voting body with board seats.  Remove the
> >votes and board seats, and you remove At Large.  Which
> >is exactly what ICANN has done.
> >
> >As for geographic diversity, I'll take all the Jamie
> >Loves, Ted Byfields, Karl Auerbachs, Michael Froomkins
> >and Milt Muellers I can get, no matter their locations,
> >because they have the integrity, desire, **history and
> >expertise** to push ICANN (or whatever replaces it)
> >toward the goal of democratic geographic representation.
> >
> >The same cannot be said of well-meaning but
> >inexperienced persons merely because they come from
> >diverse areas of the world.
> >
> >Show me a European, Asian, African, South American, etc.
> >candidate who can match intent, integrity, wits and
> >expertise with the folks mentioned above and they've got
> >my vote.
> >
> >But anything less is counterproductive.
> >
> >J
> >
> >--
> >Judith Oppenheimer
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> >http://ICBTollFreeNews.com
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> > > MY CANDIDATION STATEMENT
> > >
> > > I am an Engineer, 27, and live in Turin, Italy; I am an active At
> > > Large member since 2000, and I am presently the Chairman of
> > > icannatlarge.com. I have been spending most of my time in the last
> > > months actively working for our organization and defending our cause
> > > in ICANN, submitting documents and proposals, and flying on my own
> > > money to Bucharest, to talk with Board members and save some space,
> > > even if tiny, for the At Large in ICANN - in which we succeeded.
> > >
> > > I believe that the Internet is a vital resource for the whole world;
> > > that its administration must be under the control of the global
> > > public; and that ICANN has been deliberately trying, in the last
> > > years, to put itself out of such control.
> > >
> > > This organization has to practically work to gain strength and
> > > credibility, so that its voice can get stronger and stronger. We have
> > > to get help and pressure on ICANN to defend the original plans for At
> > > Large elections of the Board. However, it is very likely that ICANN
> > > will survive and preserve its power. This is why we must keep a
> > > dialogue open with all ICANN participants and get support from them
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I am worried by the excessive stress that many candidates put on
> > > interactions with the US Government, and by the high number of
> > > candidates from the US. This organization needs members and leaders
> > > from all the world; it must defend the diversity and the independence
> > > of the Internet, not call for governmental involvement.
> > >
> > > There is still much to do, and we don't have many resources. We have
> > > to follow the thin line of practical compromises that stands between
> > > the sterile dream of ICANN's sudden death, and submission to ICANN's
> > > bad plans. It's the hardest way, but the only one that is guaranteed
> > > to produce results in the long term.
> > >
> > > So... I think that no one has spent more time and energy than me for
> > > this organization, and I really want to continue working and
> > > contributing my skills. This is why, I think, I deserve your vote
> > > again. Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > MORE INFORMATION
> > >
> > > My statement for the first elections of icannatlarge.com (with more
> > > information on myself and my ideas)
> > > http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=455#455
> > >
> > > My submissions to ICANN's Reform Committee:
> > > (1)
> > > http://forum.icann.org/reform-comments/general/pdf00011.pdf
> > > (2)
> > > http://forum.icann.org/reform-comments/structure/pdf00000.pdf
> > >
> > > My rough proposals for the ALAC
> > > http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00408.html
> > >
> > > My Bylaws proposals for icannatlarge.com
> > > http://www.icannatlarge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36
> > >
> > > The atlarge-panel list (to review my acts as current panel member)
> > > http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/
> > >
> > > My proposal for At Large organization at Nov 2000 ICANN meeting
> > > http://www.icannmembers.org/Props/prop-7.html
> > >
> > > My candidation statement for year 2000 At Large elections
> > > http://icann.bertola.eu.org/
> > >
> > > You could also browse through my postings on the atlarge-discuss
> > > (http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/), DNSO GA
> > > (http://www.dnso.org/dnso/gaarchives.html) and icann-europe
> > > (http://www.fitug.de/icann-europe/) lists (unfortunately no per-author
> > > search is available).
> > > --
> > > vb.               [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] bertola.eu.org]<------
> > > ----------------------> http://bertola.eu.org/ <--------------------------
> > >
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