RE: [atlarge-discuss] ALOC Draft 3.0

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

"designed distraction".  Exactly.

J

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: YJ Park [mailto:yjpark@myepark.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:19 PM
> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de; Izumi AIZU
> Cc: aloc@at-large.org
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] ALOC Draft 3.0
>
>
> Dear Izumi,
>
> Hoping I can help you have better understanding about the relations
> between ALOC and "Assistance Group", let me share my similar
> frustration about double structure which deal with the same issue
> and exist at the same time out of dubious reason.
>
> WG-Review   vs   Review Task Force
>
> WG-Review could not be controlled neither by NC nor by ICANN staff.
> Review TF was controlled by a core group of NC and ICANN staff.
>
> Both entities dealt with DNSO Reform and both produced the report.
>
> Only Review TF report was presented to the Board and the community.
> Review TF report generously incorporated part of WG-Review report
> as quotes here and there which TF chair felt appropriate like
> the facilitator
> of Assistance Group of At-large.
>
> The best solution I can think of with respect to this unnecessary
> double structure is to make it simple to let people have better
> understanding therefore volunteers can concentrate on their efforts
> without designed distraction.
>
> YJ
>
> > Quite honestly, I have been bit confused.
> >
> > I am aware that I am on the ALOC, and I am aware that I was
> asked to be part
> > of the "assistance group".
> >
> > I was not so clear about the relationship between the two.
> >
> > I was also not so clear about the position of the "Version 3.0".
> >
> > While the interaction between Hans and Denise helped me to
> understand these
> > relationships, it is still bit confusing.
> >
> > There are at least two different tracks. One is ALOC and another is
> > "assistance group"
> > and these two have no formal relationship at all. Am I
> right?  Though this
> > assistance
> > group members are mostly from ALOC members, selected and
> asked by Denise to
> > join and who agreed to join.
> >
> > ALOC contniues its effort of organizing AtLarge, including
> providing inputs
> > to ERC
> > and ICANN Board on ALAC or AtLarge in general.
> >
> > The "assistance group" has specific task of creating
> implementation plan of ALAC
> > to submit to ERC.
> >
> > But some people feel that this small "assitance group" is
> an attempt to
> > effectively "take over" or undermine the ALOC work.
> According to Denise,
> > it is NOT intended so, but that is not yet persuasive.
> >
> > "ALOC Draft 3.0" is, according to Hans the result of
> teamwork approved by
> > all the ALOC members, but according to Denise it is not.
> >
> > With all the hectic timeline, while I have been travelling
> or working a lot,
> > with many different threads of e-mail postings on different
> lists, it is quite
> > confusing for non-native English speaker like me. And I
> assume I am not
> > the only one.
> >
> > I appreciate if someone could clarify these issues to reach
> better mutual
> > understanding.
> >
> > many thanks,
> >
> > izumi
> >
> >
> > At 13:49 02/07/25 -0400, Hans Klein wrote:
> >
> > >Denise works with us to facilitate our processes.
> Substantive work is the
> > >responsibility of the ALOC members.
> > >
> > >Version 3.0 is a team product of the ALOC and enjoys the
> support of
> > >numerous ALOC members.  Indeed, I don't recall any expressions of
> > >disapproval. I believe it represents the consensus of the ALOC.
> > >
> > >If I interpret Denise's comments correctly, the newly created "ERC
> > >assistance group" (from which Sotiris Sotiropoulos and I
> were excluded)
> > >will soon replace the ALOC as the "voice of the user."  Sigh!
> > >
> > >Hans
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:34 AM 7/25/2002 -0700, Denise Michel ALSC wrote:
> > >>This is *not* the "latest version" or "Version 3.0" or a
> "Proposed Final
> > >>Draft" of the "At-Large Organizing Committee (ALOC)
> > >>Submission to the..ERC..On the Design of An At Large
> Advisory Committee
> > >>(ALAC)."  Hans Klein added these titles, along with a
> "Preamble" and
> > >>"Part I" to an *outline of approaches/issues* that needed to be
> > >>considered by the ERC's "assistance group" in order to draft
> > >>implementation details for an ALAC.  Any ideas this
> list's participants
> > >>have on how to structure an ALAC, of course, are welcome.
>  However, the
> > >>point of this limited ERC assistance group is to quickly provide
> > >>*detailed recommendations* on an ALAC for public (your)
> consideration.
> > >>
> > >>Hans may wish to slap some rhetoric on an outline and call it a
> > >>potential implementation plan, but that does not make it
> so. When the
> > >>assistance group issues its submission to the ERC, it
> will be a detailed
> > >>proposal for establishing an ALAC on which anyone
> interested can comment,
> > >>change, build upon.  It will not be, nor is it intended to be, a
> > >>reflection of the views of all ALOC member organizations
> or even all of
> > >>the ALOC members themselves.
> > >>
> > >>Denise
> > >>
> > >>Denise Michel
> > >>coordinator@at-large.org
> > >
> > >
> > >                      >> Izumi Aizu <<
> > >                  Asia Network Research
> > >                         www.anr.org
> > >                              &
> > >  GLOCOM /Institute for HyperNetwork Society
> > >
> > >         << Writing the Future of the History >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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