Re: [atlarge-discuss] Correction Re: [atlarge-discuss] 12 Zombi'es on this discussion group

[Gary Osbourne <gro@direct.ca>]

At 06:01 PM 06/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:

>   I realize that some folks have trouble counting to 4.
It was a typo I corrected as soon as I noticed it.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious, at which I
must say you are without parallel. And thanks for
giving me the opportunity to pass on the following.

Are the falsehoods in your .sig typos or lies? If
typos, please correct them forthwith. If lies, well
continue on with your usual activities. For those not
on the GA list, I include the relevant portion of
an email I sent there earlier, with the rest already
posted here. I look forward to polishing up the FAQ
a bit and then sending it on to Vint Cerf, Nancy
Victory, and others that Jeff Williams often cross-
posts to. Thanks to all contributors. -g

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At 12:39 PM 06/08/02 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Gary and all assembly members,
>
>   I have yet to receive a phone call from you.  The phone Numbers
> listed in my sig file all work and are valid Phone Numbers.
See below.

>   So Gary, you are just lying plain and simple.
I made it clear in the FAQ that it was another
author's statement. Just more Jeff Williams BS.
If you had a dime to your name I would consider
suing you for calling me a liar. Of course I'd
have to figure out how to serve you. When you
pass yourself off as outstanding in your field(s)
I hadn't realized until recently that you actually
meant: out standing in your (dirt farm) fields.

Jeff Williams .sig as of today:

> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 124k members/stakeholders strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-244-3801 or 214-244-4827
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
OK, we know the address is bogus unless Jeff Williams
is a sufficiently lanky Texan to reside in a roadsign,
or sufficiently secretive to live underground, which
I grant you is just possible.

In the interests of an accurate FAQ, I just tried the
first telephone number: 972-244-3801. Out of order.
Readers are welcome to try it for themselves. Hint:
With my telco at least, using *67 first masks your
number from call display, callback, etc. YMMV so RTFM.

And the second: 214-244-4827. Voicemail. A male voice
asks one to leave a message, possibly Jeff Williams,
although he sounds a little young to be a VietNam vet
and former Judge. I say possibly because the message
gives no clue as to whom one has reached, no personal
name, no company (such as INEGroup) name, no nothing.
Not very professional. It could be anybody, and
apparently sometimes is.

Of what relevance is this to the GA? Well, we will
shortly have no elected at-large BoD Directors, partly
due to allegations that online voting is subject to
fraud. It has been alleged today (not originally by
me) that in the just-completed icannatlarge.com panel
elections, one candidate, Bob Crawford, was really Jeff
Williams, who nominated and spoke up for Bob Crawford.
He later denied doing so but the record is clear:
http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-discuss/0207/msg00317.html

I just tried Bob Crawford's self-given telephone number of
866-866-6686. Coincidentally, it also is not in service.

[...]

While on the one hand this means the system is open
to abuse by even a lamer like Jeff Williams, and
could be used as evidence for why there should not
be online elections, OTOH, the wisdom of the
electorate shines through and demonstrably real
(and mostly very good) candidates are elected,
whilst Bob Crawford and Cordley Coit, real or not,
finish at the bottom. So this could also be taken
as evidence that a sufficiently large pool of
electors isn't easily open to capture. [...] -g

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