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RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...

At 22:41 14/08/02, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:

The multitude of names I find very confusing.  Were I an internet user
contemplating joining this organization, I'd expect it to have *a* name.
Dear Judith,
If I gave you this feeling I was wrong. The organization has one name http://worldatlarge.com and I hope that Sotiris proceeds quickly with it as the owner of the site and its webmaster.

Now, we will work by WG and local units. Each of them will have a site, because each of them must load its pages and for that to have a keyword. There are two solutions.

- either they chose names by their own no one will rember and find back, with a very low PR impact
- or we allocate them a sub adress consistent with the names we already have/
- we have worldatlarge.org, you have added internetatlarge.org, currently the site is icannatlarge.com
- we then put some order and people clearly understand what we do as soon as we have atlarge.org
- the worldatlarge.org alliases with wold.atlarge.org. They target to the same page
- all the national sites are then http://nation.atlarge.org on 189 machines, by 189 webmasters if you want. Easy to find them.
- we have working groups on ICANN, ccTLDs, etc.. they whare the webmaster or have their own webmaster (do not think the we will have one single webmaster and 100.000 members). their address will be http://icann.atlarge.org (and the existing http://icannatalrge.com/org will alias with it so people used to the old site do not get confused).

Not a different name for every day of the week and time zone.
I don't mean to be flip, but from a branding POV it makes no sense.
In addition, *you* think IETF; ICANN, NTIA, etc. for internet governance.
(a) Do you think John Q. Online Public is familiar with these names?
The person who wants to get http://ietf.atlarge.org is the person who want to go to the WG-IETF if there is one. John Doe will not go there (unless he follows a link). There is nothing special. Just normal large site management.

and (b) Which one of these entities represents internet governance by and
for the people?
The internet gouvernance is ICANN, NTIA, GAC... Sorry, I do not understand what you mean. Our organization is wlrold@large, part of the governance. If they want to contect us they go on http://worldatlarge.org - there they find the many they want, to the pages maintained by SOtiris and to the pages maintained on their own sub-website by the different WG/units.

You have registered http://internetatlarge.org so I suppose you want to set-up some pages at this address, under your own password? perfect. You will be referenced on http://worldatlarge.org and peole will also be able to access you directly. Fro them it is just a part of our global site. Even if for you it a site by your own, with your own working group.
jfc



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:13 PM
> To: Judith Oppenheimer; 'Joop Teernstra';
> atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
>
>
> Dear Judith,
> please understand that there are two issues at stake.
>
> 1. the name - best name for our @lareg confederation for the
> reasons I
> documented is probably world@large. It is a compromise but it has a
> mnemonic, historical , graphic, legitimacy, political convergence of
> raeasons making it a good compromise.
>
> 2. the organization - we can only be a confedration of interest. That
> confederation can only be built to the image of the Internet
> governance.
> Here we use xxx@large were governance uses IETF; ICANN, NTIA,
> ccTLDs.  So
>
> icann@large is the name of the WG relating with ICANN
> ietf@large is the group of our IETF Members
> france@large is the name of our French association
>
> 3. the accesses to the sites. The only problem we have today
> is that we
> have not http://atlarge.org.
> When we have it we can develop the @large namespace in
> registering 3LDs such as
> icann.atlarge.org
> france.atlarge.org
> which will provide an easy way to manage the confedration. The Panel
> playing the same role as Jon Postel to keep the things organized. An
> organization is made by its web site.
>
> What Joop says is that http://icannatlarge.com has a lot of links.
> We will progressively add http://icannatlarge.org etc... as
> the one you
> registered as ALIASES
>
> What we want is the largest number of people to know us. All
> of them will
> land into http://worlatlarge.org until we can make ot
> http://world.atlarge.org too.
>
> The largest number of names, the more links we have in search engines.
> jfc
>
> At 03:58 14/08/02, Judith Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> >I disagree.  Vociferously.
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joop Teernstra [mailto:terastra@terabytz.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:39 PM
> > > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 006 Deciding Name...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My first choice would be icannatlarge.org, currently held by
> > > elected panel
> > > member Jefsey Morfin.
> > > Jefsey could provide a re-direct to our current web presence.
> > >
> > > We should think twice before abandoning the recognition (1650
> > > google links)
> > > that we have built up so far.
> > >
> > > Why keep the "icann" string?
> > >
> > > Because icann, like it or not, is our defining battle ground.
> > >
> > > --Joop
> > >
> > >
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