RE: [atlarge-discuss] 003 WG-ID membership criteria

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

I agree on all points noted.  Well said, Joanna.

J

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanna Lane [mailto:jo-uk@rcn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: Joop Teernstra
> Cc: Atlarge Discuss List
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] 003 WG-ID membership criteria
>
>
> Concerns have been expressed to me offlist about why I would want to
> discourage anonymous contributions in this way, so maybe an
> explanation is
> needed.
>
> This organization is not a DNSO constituency for
> corporations. It is for the
> general public at large to obtain a vote in the process,
> representation
> through direct participation.
>
> First, a voter is not a voter without a name and some ID, it
> doesn't matter
> who you work for, or what democracy you live in.
>
> Second, it would be extremely foolish to go down the road of
> asking private
> corporations who have a vested interest in the process
> elsewhere to verify
> our membership database for us.
>
> Third, we have been elected by people who have had the
> courage to stand up
> and be counted, real living breathing human beings with names
> and faces. And
> as demonstrated in 2000 elections, there are tens of
> thousands of them out
> there more than willing to be identified in order to get a
> vote and who,
> right now, are very, very angry indeed to have their votes
> stolen from them
> by ICANN, not only in the At Large, but also the DNSO GA, in fact
> everywhere.
>
> Fourth, it's also not a good idea to stand in the front line,
> only to be
> accused of fighting for a bunch of anonymous corporate
> employees (nothing
> personal intended). The smart move is to use our personal ID as our
> ammunition. We really don't need to know the kind of detail
> that Joey Star
> Walker is giving out in his entertaining personal diaries,
> but if you're
> asking me to voluntarily fight for you without even
> Identifying yourself to
> me, then you're being unrealistic. This has to be a two way
> street or it's
> not going to work in my opinion.
>
> So, to recap, the view from here is that at this early stage, only
> individuals who are willing to go through an ID process get
> votes, and not
> those hiding behind corporations or other organizations, and
> that WG-ID is
> being set up to help us clarify those issues and develop appropriate
> policies that first and foremost protect the public interest - not the
> corporate paymasters.
>
> That doesn't mean your personal information is going to be
> published in the
> public domain, but it does mean it has to be known to the current
> administration of this organization, which at this time
> includes me, hence I
> am going to continue flagging those that appear to be corporate or
> organizational votes that have slipped through net. In that way, the
> integrity of the organization's membership roster is best protected.
>
> I'll be posting something shortly on the Name issue, as I
> sense we can start
> to wrap that up, or at least move forward.
>
> Regards,
> Joanna
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joanna Lane [mailto:jo-uk@rcn.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 4:21 AM
> > To: Joop Teernstra
> > Cc: Atlarge Discuss List
> > Subject: [atlarge-discuss] 003 WG-ID membership criteria
> >
> >
> > Hi Joop,
> > I was just reviewing the website quickly and noticed,"*
> > Webmaster, Validweb
> > Limited. From London, United Kingdom" as one of the latest
> > additions to the
> > Membership List. Although we have yet to go through the process of
> > developing a policy for verification of members, I think it's
> > safe to assume
> > that we do not and will not be giving out votes to people
> who put down
> > generic job descriptions rather than identify themselves as
> a real person
> > with a real name.
> >
> > Please remove this and any other similar entries from the Voting
> > Roster and
> > Announce lists, and send me a note offlist of the contact name(s)
> > (if known)
> > with email address, so that I may send a note to each of
> the individuals
> > responsible, inviting them to join properly using their own names.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joanna
> >
> >
> >
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