RE: [atlarge-discuss] Report to the ERC

["Judith Oppenheimer" <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>]

> accepting to act under unfavourable conditions to get those principles
> implemented in practice as much as possible

This is the heart of the matter.  There is practical implementation of
principles (its got legs and is enforceable), and there is lip service.

In the case of the blueprint, at large has been kissed off.  By pretending
otherwise, you lend credence to their Orwellian spin.

My concern lies in the fact that those of you who participate in their
dog-and-pony shows, surely know this.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb@vitaminic.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:43 AM
> To: DannyYounger@cs.com
> Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Report to the ERC
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:11:39 EDT, you wrote:
>
> >Vittorio,
> >
> >I am disgusted by your report.  You had the opportunity to endorse a
> >Supporting Organization for the At-large which would have
> assured it seats on
> >the Board, instead you and your fellow stooges have
> advocated for an Advisory
> >Committee that provides for no representational
> opportunities, writing:
> >"Other alternatives for achieving these goals were
> considered and rejected by
> >the Assistance Group."
>
> Danny,
>
> what Bret has said is true - we were given clear constraints
> by the ERC: we
> would only have to work inside the Blueprint directions, and
> in some cases
> we also had to accommodate more requests from the ERC - for
> example the fact
> that, at least initially, a minority part of the committee should be
> appointed from the NomCom. In some cases, we worked to negotiate these
> requests - for example, in the aforementioned case, we
> accepted the ERC's
> request, but we added that these initial members should
> expire in one year
> and another process should be implemented in the meanwhile
> for selecting
> their successors.
>
> Moreover, we stated clearly in the first part of the Report
> that we, though
> accepting to contribute to the process, do not mean to endorse the
> Blueprint, and that if we had been given a clean sheet, we
> would not have
> come up with a proposal like this, but with something else -
> maybe, an At
> Large SO.
>
> So the issue is not whether we want or do not want an At
> Large SO; this was
> out of the scope of our Group. Either you accept this
> mandate, or you don't
> accept to serve in such a Group; and I am still convinced
> that, by being
> there, we helped in getting as much as possible within the
> constraints of
> the Blueprint. (And by the way, ours is just an advice - the
> ERC might as
> well decide to disregard it completely.)
>
> >I guess you just don't have the guts to stand up for your principles.
>
> I disagree. Personally I think that you need more "guts", as
> you say, in
> accepting to act under unfavourable conditions to get those principles
> implemented in practice as much as possible, rather than
> simply in repeating
> them over and over uselessly by e-mail without ever making
> any step forward
> towards their implementation. Of course the first choice,
> from a merely
> personal point of view, is more risky, because conditions
> might prove too
> unfavourable, and you might end up working for nothing and even being
> labelled as the enemy's crony. But that's exactly why you need "guts".
> --
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