Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joanna, Judith and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Indeed Judith provided a number of good responses/reasons/arguments
to Ross Raiders Challenge and Danny's supporting comments of Ross.
However Judith's responses/reasons/arguments are a bit too lengthy,
and will likely be ignored because they are lengthy.  That I admit this is
a shame, but none the less likely....

  Therefore I would council brevity, and directness in
such responses/reasons/arguments...

Joanna Lane wrote:

> More like this please.
> Brilliant response Judith.
> Thank you.
> Joanna
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Judith Oppenheimer [mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:01 PM
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de; ross@byte.org; Panel (E-mail)
> > Subject: [atlarge-panel] RE: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader
> >
> >
> > Re "individual participation" in ICANN - So many reasons, so little time,
> > so here are just a few (courtesy of ICB Toll Free News archives):
> >
> >
> > Because "A major implication of the Internet model is that value is not
> > created in the network, but at the edges, by users."
> > Timothy Denton, with François Ménard and David Isenberg, Netheads Versus
> > Bellheads:  Research into Emerging Policy Issues in the Development and
> > Deployment of Internet Protocols
> >
> >
> > Because "control of the root is being leveraged to control the Internet
> > itself in such key areas as trademark and copyright protection,
> > surveillance of users, content regulation, and regulation of the domain
> > name supply industry."
> > Milton Mueller, Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of
> > Cyberspace
> >
> >
> > Because "ICANN has the potential to turn into the first world regulatory
> > body. By beginning to associate top level domains with content usage, they
> > are putting themselves into the position of being the defacto arbiter of
> > content. This is in addition to what territory that they can grab in the
> > intellectual property world along with WIPO. If all else fails, they can
> > always play games with protocol standards and IP address allocation. I
> > suspect that most people have no clue what this issue is all about, nor
> > care. Remember that Mussolini started with the trains....  There's an old
> > adage about only giving power to those who don't want it.... If
> > we're going
> > to have a world government, then I want a revolution first.
> > Preferably with
> > some historic event like throwing all the T-1s into Boston harbor. These
> > people are enacting policy, cutting deals with large technology companies
> > and signing things that look suspiciously like treaties with governments
> > and quasi government groups (some of dubious legitimacy).... I went to
> > school with one of the students killed at Kent State, worked for an
> > military/intelligence agency in my youth and watched as the last
> > administration passed wind while leaving the white house. I never felt
> > paranoia before. I do now."
> > David Holtzman, Chairman and CEO of Opion Inc. and former Chief Technology
> > Officer at Network Solutions, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORLD
> > GOVT, I WANT A
> > REVOLUTION FIRST.
> >
> >
> > Because "icann is more interested in, and totally focused on, arranging
> > power rather than providing simple stewardship and service. icann is
> > brilliant at rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. the problem is
> > they have the internet on board."
> > Randy Bush (characterized, for those who don't know him, by Dave
> > Farber, as
> > "brutally rational.")
> >
> >
> > Because "The board of ICANN shouldn´t consist of people with direct
> > commercial interests such as registrar/registry function. ICANN
> > needs to be
> > able to make decisions in the interest of the internet users and
> > the global
> > information space, the internet. There needs to be a balance between
> > commercial and public use of this infrastructure and the board
> > must consist
> > of people who think about the impact of the decisions for the
> > communication
> > culture and space, not only on their own business."
> > Andy Mueller-Maguhn, elected ICANN Director
> >
> >
> > Because "We're not so stupid that we don't see what ICANN is doing, which
> > is establishing absolute power, free from any of the checks and
> > balances of
> > government."
> > Brian Livingston, Contributing Editor of InfoWorld and CNET News.com
> >
> >
> > Because "The UDRP walks and quacks like law. It sets out a rule for
> > deciding between competing claims to possession of particular
> > resources. It
> > sets up a process to apply that rule on a case-by-case basis. And it is
> > binding upon those in possession of the resource in question; in the event
> > of an adverse ruling, the domain name holder will relinquish possession of
> > the contested domain name."
> > David G. Post, Associate Professor of Law at Temple University Law School,
> > and Co-Founder and Co-Director of the Cyberspace Law Institute.
> >
> >
> > Because "Someday we may look back and realize that this moment
> > was critical
> > in deciding who got to control this new form of global communication."
> > Steven Hill, western regional director of the Center for Voting and
> > Democracy
> >
> >
> > Because "In my research of Internet policy over the years, I've had the
> > pleasure of reading numerous court orders, FCC notices, and other official
> > government documents. These works are impressive historic documents that
> > exhaustively consider every point raised by all sides, bring in the
> > background that applies to each point, and carefully lay out the reasoning
> > that leads to a final decision. Nothing like this appears in ICANN public
> > documents. They are terse bulletins that list decisions made and brief
> > technical justifications.... Many non-profit organizations let
> > members vote
> > on by-law changes, examine accounting books, and so forth. If
> > ICANN members
> > were allowed to elect its Board, they'd have the same rights.
> > Andy Oram, an editor at O'Reilly & Associates
> >
> >
> > Because “ICANN is establishing Internet policy ... It becomes problematic
> > if it makes policy judgments without adequate policy processes.”
> > Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass
> >
> >
> > Because "The most critical public policy issue affecting the Internet
> > remains the same - namely, its governance... ICANN’s legal authority for
> > “technical management of the Internet” (in ICANN’s own words) remains in
> > doubt. A connected issue is ICANN’s ability to finance its operations."
> > David W. Maher, Vice President - Public Policy, ISOC
> >
> >
> > Because ""When ICANN was in serious trouble in 1998 and 1999,
> > they promised
> > open elections for all... The Internet Community relied on their word. But
> > once Congress and Commerce seemed satisfied and NSI was brought into the
> > fold, ICANN began a full reversal of their original stance."
> > Mikki Barry, President of the Domain Name Rights Coalition
> >
> >
> > Because, Ross, "The essence of ICANN’s problem is the disproportionate
> > attention which is being given inside the working groups, and,
> > increasingly
> > outside, in private conferences, to the pretensions of the IP
> > community ...
> > on grounds that we and our Internet users consider to be dubious and, in
> > some cases, in outright error ... as to policy as regards the future
> > direction of the Internet... What we are actually observing in the saga of
> > domain name expansion is a power-grab of major proportions over the
> > architecture of the Internet, using ICANN not so much as a representative
> > forum for IP interests as the embodimenet of IP lawyers’ interests.
> >  ... that we are in fact acceding to a takeover of the political processes
> > of ICANN by a set of interests that oppose what the Internet stands for."
> > Ross Wm. Rader, Tucows
> >
> >
> > Because "... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
> > Powers from the Consent of the Governed"
> >
> >
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> > >
> > > > >From Ross Rader's byte.org blog:
> > > >
> > > > "I asked the question a week ago, but still don't "get" the
> > > answers. A few
> > > > people included me in a thread going on over on the
> > > at-large discussion list
> > > > regarding what the arguments for and against individual
> > > participation in
> > > > ICANN actually are. The answers coming back weren't all
> > > that convincing - all
> > > > I managed to take away was that users are entitled to a
> > > seat because they use
> > > > the system. Not terribly convincing. Convince me."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Regards,
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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