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Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: ...freedom-loving people clearly have more work to do...
Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Bruce Young wrote:
> Jim, since you included many of our key players in your original message, I
> thought I'd CC our At-Large Discussion List forum, since your comments
> mirror many others' writing here, and our members deserve to read them,
> since the distraction factor you mention regarding the ALAC is a real
> problem we need to overcome, and soon!
>
> In my opinion, the ALAC was formed out of fear, in part as a response to our
> self-organizing, as well as highly critical NGO papers appearing at that
> time. If you don't agree, reread the verbiage coming out of ICANN prior to
> the Accra meeting.
I agree that you may have a very valid point here Bruce. Well done!
Indeed the ALAC/ALOC and it's so called champions have been
decidedly against any Stakeholder/user direct participation and/or
vote on policy issues or election of ICANN BOD members...
> They were talking a very different game. We began
> organizing just prior to the Accra meeting, and suddenly ICANN, in that
> meeting, started up yet another AL*C committee to sidetrack us. We didn't
> bite and kept organizing. In fact, some of our members, who were attending
> ALAC meetings representing other affiliations they hold, actually tried to
> pushed through significant changes, and were locked out of the final group
> that actually wrote the document you referred to.
Exactly right! And we must fully understand this as well as never forget it
either...
>
>
> We are not "distracted" by the ALAC. In fact, I think it's safe to say
> that, since electing our first full-term panel members, we are more focused
> than ever on the many tasks ahead of us. We have scores of people
> volunteering to assist in various working groups to build the
> infrastructure, place us on firm legal and financial footing, and kick-start
> outreach. And it's all being done in the open in our e-mail forums and on
> the Web site, visible to anyone who wants to watch. The way ICANN *should*
> be doing business but isn't.
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:00 AM
> To: izumi@anr.org; emv@southtech.com.ar; ateneas@retemail.es;
> pshane@andrew.cmu.edu; tommi.karttaavi@iki.fi; legales@derecho.org.ar;
> Christian.Ahlert@sowi.uni.giessen.de; sotiris@hermesnetwork.com;
> svensson@icannchannel.de; Vittorio Bertola
> Cc: Richard Henderson; karl@cavebear.com; Joop Teernstra; Joe Baptista;
> Joanna Lane; jefsey@jefsey.com; james.love@cptech.org; ellen@rony.com;
> Richard J. Sexton; Bruce Young; k@widgital.com; Milton Mueller
> Subject: ...freedom-loving people clearly have more work to do...
>
> http://www.icann.org/committees/evol-reform/alacag-report-19aug02.htm
>
> The ERC asked Esther Dyson (a member the ALOC - At-Large Organizing
> Committee, and former member of the ALSC - ICANN At-Large Study
> Committee) and Denise Michel (coordinator of www.at-large.org, At-Large
> Organizing Committee, and former Executive Director of the
> ALSC) to identify a small group of individuals to provide assistance in
> defining how an ALAC could be created and what it should do.
>
> Dyson and Michel asked for volunteers from the ALOC, and the ERC
> subsequently appointed these individuals, in addition to Dyson and
> Michel, to help craft this report as members of the Assistance Group:
>
> a.. Gabriel Piñeiro (LatinoamerICANN);
> b.. Tommi Karttaavi (ISOC Finland);
> c.. Peter M. Shane (InSITeS - Institute for the Study of Information
> Technology and Society);
> d.. Núria de la Fuente Teixidó (STEC - Sistemas Técnicos de Enseñanza
> Consultores);
> e.. Edmundo Valenti (Internet Society Argentina Chapter);
> f.. Vittorio Bertola (ISOC Italy); and
> g.. Izumi Aizu (former NAIS member - NGO and Academic ICANN Study).
> The Assistance Group encouraged other individuals involved in At-Large
> organizing to assist with this effort, and would like to
> acknowledge the following individuals for their contributions:
>
> a.. Alexander Svensson (Manager, www.icannchannel.de, DNSO General
> Assembly Alternate Chair, creator of www.alac.info);
> b.. Sotiris Sotiropoulos (ALOC member, and member of
> www.icannatlarge.com); and
> c.. Christian Ahlert (ALOC member, and former NAIS member).
> =======================================================================
>
> Looks like yet another group, **orchestrated**, to distract people from the
> I* society lock on resource allocations and cash-flow.
> The owners of address space (like land), managed via 0:0 .ARPA and
> IN-ADDR.ARPA, must be quite pleased.
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> The distraction groups keep people from noticing what is really going on
> behind the scenes. It is ironic that
> the Internet Architecture and technology allows people to easily see that,
> but they choose, instead, to be distracted.
> One has to hope that future generations will be more educated and will not
> so easily be distracted and will keep
> their eye on the address allocations and the cash flow as the shell games
> move the ball under their noses.
>
> http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Theosophy
> "Theosophy teaches that evil acts must be offset by acts of goodness..."
> ...freedom-loving people clearly have more work to do...
>
> Jim Fleming
> 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> http://www.ican.org/what's_new!!!.htm
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
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