Re: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

Ross - this is more simple that that. Domain Owner/Operators are entitled to
a seat because they pay for the system. There is NO Internet without its
commercial users because there is no one to pay the Long Lines providers and
ISP's for services if there is no users. You would not pay 500/mo for your
Internet dial up would you? no of course not, but without the commerce that
occurs over the Internet today, there really is no one to pay for its
services other than corporate users, and UUCP Mail alone would work for most
of them... No this is about money - pure and simple.

Further the Users, make up the individual concerns both at the "end user"
level, and at commercial user's level. That's what purchasing a domain is,
buying into the system and for that you and everyone else deserves to be
represented since ICANN by its own definition is a NPO working towards the
public interest of Internet Domain Users and their customers.

It is clear that the representation of this group stops at the boundary's of
having to possess or control domain names. Rather than going all the way as
to represent those that are the ultimate end users of services that we (as
domain owners) would put up. So in consideration we are the last link in the
providers food chain and our food is the commerce of our end-users.

Pardon me but this is so obvious that anyone denying it likely has another
agenda

Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: <eric@hi-tek.com>
To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <ross@byte.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader


> Danny and Ross,
>
> I will try to refrain from any cheap shots but you are both students of
life and
> history.
>
> The constitutions of Nations so Great and diverse as Canada, Mexico,
Vietnam, US
> and France,  all hold the truth to be completely self evident that each
> individual has a right to contribute to their governance.
> (I believe but cannot recall exactly but I believe that would also Israel,
> Ukraine, Zimbabwe and South Korea)
> That it is not based upon the ownership of a thing or land, it is
prohibited that
> it may be based upon ownership in each constitution.  A Netizen or a
dotcommoner
> is a user of the space provided by the Internet.
> A child is a user of the air and nourishment of their nation.  Upon
maturity each
> should be given a voice.
>
> Now reread the language that so often starts with "we hold these truths to
be
> self evident".
>
> Then the only question you have is; is use of the internet a right or a
privilege
> reserved for folks like you, that can afford and afford to maintain a
domain
> name?
>
> Don't be stupid, nothing is free, but that is a different issue all
together, my
> government provides free access and soon all will.  That is an economic
priority
> issue not a rights issue.
>
> Drop this issue, has been fought over for over 200 years and it damn well
has
> settled for individuals, all over the world - except for estranged weird
> countries- where we will reach sooner or later because these truths open
mind and
> power and right through knowledge and INDIVIDUAL EMPOWERMENT.
> If you doubt me further read both Martin Luthers' works, no I don't mean
both of
> one of their works I mean both Luthers.
>
> Thank you for the opportunity to convince you,
> Sincerely,
> eric
>
> DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
>
> > >From Ross Rader's byte.org blog:
> >
> > "I asked the question a week ago, but still don't "get" the answers. A
few
> > people included me in a thread going on over on the at-large discussion
list
> > regarding what the arguments for and against individual participation in
> > ICANN actually are. The answers coming back weren't all that
convincing - all
> > I managed to take away was that users are entitled to a seat because
they use
> > the system. Not terribly convincing. Convince me."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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