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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader

Todd,

Please clarify for me:

. Do you support end-user representation or only domain owner
representation on the ICANN Board?

. Do you agree with Jefsey's model of end-users contributing to the
network content as a whole (browsers submitting forms, sending email,
fighting spam, paying ISPs, paying & playing MMORPGs, etc.)?

Thanks,
-s

On Fri, 2002-08-23 at 09:06, todd glassey wrote:
> Ross - this is more simple that that. Domain Owner/Operators are entitled to
> a seat because they pay for the system. There is NO Internet without its
> commercial users because there is no one to pay the Long Lines providers and
> ISP's for services if there is no users. You would not pay 500/mo for your
> Internet dial up would you? no of course not, but without the commerce that
> occurs over the Internet today, there really is no one to pay for its
> services other than corporate users, and UUCP Mail alone would work for most
> of them... No this is about money - pure and simple.
> 
> Further the Users, make up the individual concerns both at the "end user"
> level, and at commercial user's level. That's what purchasing a domain is,
> buying into the system and for that you and everyone else deserves to be
> represented since ICANN by its own definition is a NPO working towards the
> public interest of Internet Domain Users and their customers.
> 
> It is clear that the representation of this group stops at the boundary's of
> having to possess or control domain names. Rather than going all the way as
> to represent those that are the ultimate end users of services that we (as
> domain owners) would put up. So in consideration we are the last link in the
> providers food chain and our food is the commerce of our end-users.
> 
> Pardon me but this is so obvious that anyone denying it likely has another
> agenda
> 
> Todd
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <eric@hi-tek.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <ross@byte.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Challenge from Ross Rader
> 
> 
> > Danny and Ross,
> >
> > I will try to refrain from any cheap shots but you are both students of
> life and
> > history.
> >
> > The constitutions of Nations so Great and diverse as Canada, Mexico,
> Vietnam, US
> > and France,  all hold the truth to be completely self evident that each
> > individual has a right to contribute to their governance.
> > (I believe but cannot recall exactly but I believe that would also Israel,
> > Ukraine, Zimbabwe and South Korea)
> > That it is not based upon the ownership of a thing or land, it is
> prohibited that
> > it may be based upon ownership in each constitution.  A Netizen or a
> dotcommoner
> > is a user of the space provided by the Internet.
> > A child is a user of the air and nourishment of their nation.  Upon
> maturity each
> > should be given a voice.
> >
> > Now reread the language that so often starts with "we hold these truths to
> be
> > self evident".
> >
> > Then the only question you have is; is use of the internet a right or a
> privilege
> > reserved for folks like you, that can afford and afford to maintain a
> domain
> > name?
> >
> > Don't be stupid, nothing is free, but that is a different issue all
> together, my
> > government provides free access and soon all will.  That is an economic
> priority
> > issue not a rights issue.
> >
> > Drop this issue, has been fought over for over 200 years and it damn well
> has
> > settled for individuals, all over the world - except for estranged weird
> > countries- where we will reach sooner or later because these truths open
> mind and
> > power and right through knowledge and INDIVIDUAL EMPOWERMENT.
> > If you doubt me further read both Martin Luthers' works, no I don't mean
> both of
> > one of their works I mean both Luthers.
> >
> > Thank you for the opportunity to convince you,
> > Sincerely,
> > eric
> >
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > >From Ross Rader's byte.org blog:
> > >
> > > "I asked the question a week ago, but still don't "get" the answers. A
> few
> > > people included me in a thread going on over on the at-large discussion
> list
> > > regarding what the arguments for and against individual participation in
> > > ICANN actually are. The answers coming back weren't all that
> convincing - all
> > > I managed to take away was that users are entitled to a seat because
> they use
> > > the system. Not terribly convincing. Convince me."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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