Re: [atlarge-discuss] 020915 Going Forward...

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Some clarifications inserted...

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From: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
To: Atlarge Discuss List <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Cc: Walter Schmidt <walts@dorsai.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] 020915 Going Forward...


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>    ...if I have this right
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>  ---REgards, walts
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> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Richard Henderson wrote:
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> > ...The whole thing is about top-down control.

*****RH: thw whole ICANN/DoC thing, that is - I'm advocating the opposite
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> > ...(a) strateg(y):
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> > ...A multi-faceted network of user communities, dealing with all
> > issues to do with Internet use, freedom, access etc etc...(such that
> > the) network could develop an identity of its own and come to stand
> > for internet users.

*****RH: yes, but of course, that can't just be "invented" - it can only
arise out of the convictions people and organisations already hold, or will
hold in the future... and the question is: how do you create the platform
for a network? how to you call diverse groups together? how do you create a
light-hand-on-the-tiller style of convocation for multiple and disparate
groups? how does this move towards an allegiance of enclaves?

I guess I'm just thinking that you can't "impose" a single structure and
hope it will capture imaginations... instead, perhaps we need the integrity
of smaller groups who share various 'brands' of net-user community... maybe
the building up has to happen much more localised, or across certain
interests and issues... until people recognise a common interest ... the
importance of users helping to shape the future of the Internet, determining
its evolution, having an integral say...

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> > ...(in other words) to move towards the "long-game"
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> > ...a multiplicity of Internet User groups, that...(are) drawn together
> > under...(our) umbrella - ...outside...(of) ICANN...(and) addressing
> > many many more issues (of which ICANN is just one)


***RH: NOT necessarily under "OUR" umbrella - I'm not prepared to say that
icannatlarge.com can provide that umbrella... icannatlarge.com may be ONE of
the many groups under the umbrella - the fact that icannatlarge.com seems to
favour a fairly narrow mission related to ICANN's administration of the DNS
seems to indicate to me that icannatlarge.com may not itself be destined to
be the umbrella, though it may form part of a major bridgehead if it
develops strongly

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> > ...I've...been vastly put off by some of the acrimony...which seems to
> > negate the values...we were pursuing.
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> > This is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We can still
> > proceed step by step....(with) the project...

***RH: INSERT: "providing it is..."

>> manifestly going
> > somewhere.
> >
> > Right now...we cannot justify delaying a ballot on our name - so we
> > can brand ourselves, create identity, and start reaching our
> > effectively.

***RH: After further thought, I'd say: "cannot justify delaying a ballot
MUCH LONGER"
...no-one would say the delays have been satisfactory... if we need a few
more DAYS to get the process absolutely right, then fair enough - but the
longer this drags on, the more inept and catatonic we appear


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