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Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
Bruce and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Bruce Young wrote:
> Richard, all discussions about ICANNATLARGE.ORG are academic until we ask
> ICANN whether we have permission to use their trademarked name in ours.
There is absolutely NO need to ask ICANN to use anything in the
DN ICANNATLARGE.ORG. NONE!
>
> That said,
And improperly said. Have you not been paying attention here on this
Bruce? Seems not...????
>
>
> I move that this panel formally approach ICANN in writing and request
> permission to use the name.
I formally suggest that the members vote on this as the members
voted to use ICANNATLARGE.ORG in a democratic voting process.
I would of course vote in the negative. The Panel is also not mandated
for such an independent action as well...
>
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
> --------------------------------------------
> Support democratic control of the Internet!
> Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:10 AM
> | To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> | Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | Jefsey,
> |
> | To tell you the truth, I am very unhappy with the decision to
> | use icannatlarge.org
> |
> | I think it is contentious, unhelpful and a bad choice.
> |
> | I would fully support you if you chose to withdraw it. I feel we
> | need a name like atlarge.org which can then be used with 100's
> | of appropriate subdomains, and the devolution of webmaster
> | responsibilities to a multiplicity of participants
> |
> | canada.atlarge.org
> | outreach.atlarge.org
> | fiji.atlarge.org
> | lotsof other things.atlarge.org
> |
> | There IS an issue of democratic will, of course, but I believe
> | that most voters actively voted NOT to have the Icann name -
> | they wanted anything other than the ICANN name, but their vote
> | was split, whereas the pro-icann vote was focussed on a single name
> |
> | Besides, the name is not resolving, which is no use. And you
> | (the owner/registrant of the name) advised against its use
> | anyway, so why not withdraw the name and vote "Do we want the
> | name ICANN in our name - YES or NO?"
> |
> | I believe the democratic will is in favour of jettisoning the name ICANN
> |
> | Richard
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> | To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:13 PM
> | Subject: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | On 12:05 02/10/02, James Love said:
> | Jefsey,
> | > 1. I don't think we want a web page run by hundreds of
> | people. On the contrary, I think we want the web page to be
> | managed by a few people who can keep it current, and make sure
> | it serves to enhance the transparency of the group.
> |
> | This is something to be decided by the panel upon proposition
> | of the WG-WEB, and possibly to the membership to decide. Right
> | now I am quite hesitant to give Sotiris full powers. I frankly
> | see no real difference between Joop and Sotiris at the present
> | stage. I will set-up my mind when :
> |
> | 1. I get the site IP address - the question risen by Sotiris
> | means that he does not understand how it works (what I doubt) or
> | he wants a control equivalent to Joop, I am not prepared to grant him.
> |
> | 2. I see a draft site to understand what he plans. There was
> | plenty of time for him to present a draft site on
> | worldatlarge.org. My approach would be to have him set up
> | worldatlarge.org as the future icannatlarge.org site so we can
> | use both addresses and evaluate the way he sets a site up and
> | the time he can dedicate to it.
> |
> | From your remarks, I understand that you never shared in a
> | cooperative site or an e-zine. What you want is the way it
> | works, but hundreds of people can cooperate. This is the only
> | way to make some real outreach: to imply people. We will no
> | reinvent the wheel.
> |
> | We start with 190 authors wanted, one per contry. Plus
> | probably 20 others, one per main topic, plus back-up and
> | alternative views. I do not know if you looked at who is listed
> | on our member list? Many are far more competent than me.
> |
> | > 2. We will have to make some policies on control of the
> | site, and who has posting privledges. My own prefence is to
> | have non-panel members maintain the content, so there are fewer
> | transition issues in elections.
> |
> | Right. There should be tow or three people. IMHO a guy like
> | NameCritic is a very good co-manager for such a task. There is
> | areal difference between a one person's site (blog) and an
> | e-zine. The first thing is to see how NameCritic and Satiris and
> | Vittorio can make it together. Producing together is far more a
> | challenge than talking/debating together.
> |
> | > 3. What is the deal over icannatlarge.org? Who controls
> | this, and what will we have to do to get control of it?
> |
> | Ok. Let forget about that: I explained it 100 times. It seems
> | that no one will ever want to read what I explain. So let me try
> | to care about it. Just remember that none of you wanted to hear
> | what I said and most went though that vote because our two Lady
> | J hoped internetatlarge.org would win. This is over. Let me try
> | to sort the mess. This is a task for the WG-DNS: it will be
> | reported when sorted.
> |
> | The priority is to have WG-WEB to address the draft site
> | issue, get public comments, organize a webmastering system which
> | will not be worse than Joop's (anyone taking over as a webmaster
> | will be confronted to the dilemn: either to be a tyrant to keep
> | some order and personal time control or a dedicated professional
> | with some real personal/financial motivations).
> |
> | jfc
> |
> |
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