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Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
Bruce
I'd love to support this motion by seconding it, but I don't feel able to
(a) because I'm not satisfied that icannatlarge.org is necessarily the name
we should adopt (b) because by asking Icann for permission we seem to be
conceding they have rights over the use of the name (c) because I'm darned
if I'm prepared to go begging to a bunch of people like the ICANN Board for
anything - I regard them as discredited, untrustworthy, and craven - I'm not
willing to do business with people like this and I'm unwilling to be
associated with them.
They do not deserve our trust.
We should not go begging for permission from them for anything, in my view.
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Young <bruce@barelyadequate.info>
To: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:02 AM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> Richard, all discussions about ICANNATLARGE.ORG are academic until we ask
> ICANN whether we have permission to use their trademarked name in ours.
> That said,
>
> I move that this panel formally approach ICANN in writing and request
> permission to use the name.
>
> Bruce Young
> Portland, Oregon USA
> bruce@barelyadequate.info
> http://www.barelyadequate.info
> --------------------------------------------
> Support democratic control of the Internet!
> Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
>
>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:10 AM
> | To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> | Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> | Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | Jefsey,
> |
> | To tell you the truth, I am very unhappy with the decision to
> | use icannatlarge.org
> |
> | I think it is contentious, unhelpful and a bad choice.
> |
> | I would fully support you if you chose to withdraw it. I feel we
> | need a name like atlarge.org which can then be used with 100's
> | of appropriate subdomains, and the devolution of webmaster
> | responsibilities to a multiplicity of participants
> |
> | canada.atlarge.org
> | outreach.atlarge.org
> | fiji.atlarge.org
> | lotsof other things.atlarge.org
> |
> | There IS an issue of democratic will, of course, but I believe
> | that most voters actively voted NOT to have the Icann name -
> | they wanted anything other than the ICANN name, but their vote
> | was split, whereas the pro-icann vote was focussed on a single name
> |
> | Besides, the name is not resolving, which is no use. And you
> | (the owner/registrant of the name) advised against its use
> | anyway, so why not withdraw the name and vote "Do we want the
> | name ICANN in our name - YES or NO?"
> |
> | I believe the democratic will is in favour of jettisoning the name
ICANN
> |
> | Richard
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> | To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:13 PM
> | Subject: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> |
> |
> | On 12:05 02/10/02, James Love said:
> | Jefsey,
> | > 1. I don't think we want a web page run by hundreds of
> | people. On the contrary, I think we want the web page to be
> | managed by a few people who can keep it current, and make sure
> | it serves to enhance the transparency of the group.
> |
> | This is something to be decided by the panel upon proposition
> | of the WG-WEB, and possibly to the membership to decide. Right
> | now I am quite hesitant to give Sotiris full powers. I frankly
> | see no real difference between Joop and Sotiris at the present
> | stage. I will set-up my mind when :
> |
> | 1. I get the site IP address - the question risen by Sotiris
> | means that he does not understand how it works (what I doubt) or
> | he wants a control equivalent to Joop, I am not prepared to grant him.
> |
> | 2. I see a draft site to understand what he plans. There was
> | plenty of time for him to present a draft site on
> | worldatlarge.org. My approach would be to have him set up
> | worldatlarge.org as the future icannatlarge.org site so we can
> | use both addresses and evaluate the way he sets a site up and
> | the time he can dedicate to it.
> |
> | From your remarks, I understand that you never shared in a
> | cooperative site or an e-zine. What you want is the way it
> | works, but hundreds of people can cooperate. This is the only
> | way to make some real outreach: to imply people. We will no
> | reinvent the wheel.
> |
> | We start with 190 authors wanted, one per contry. Plus
> | probably 20 others, one per main topic, plus back-up and
> | alternative views. I do not know if you looked at who is listed
> | on our member list? Many are far more competent than me.
> |
> | > 2. We will have to make some policies on control of the
> | site, and who has posting privledges. My own prefence is to
> | have non-panel members maintain the content, so there are fewer
> | transition issues in elections.
> |
> | Right. There should be tow or three people. IMHO a guy like
> | NameCritic is a very good co-manager for such a task. There is
> | areal difference between a one person's site (blog) and an
> | e-zine. The first thing is to see how NameCritic and Satiris and
> | Vittorio can make it together. Producing together is far more a
> | challenge than talking/debating together.
> |
> | > 3. What is the deal over icannatlarge.org? Who controls
> | this, and what will we have to do to get control of it?
> |
> | Ok. Let forget about that: I explained it 100 times. It seems
> | that no one will ever want to read what I explain. So let me try
> | to care about it. Just remember that none of you wanted to hear
> | what I said and most went though that vote because our two Lady
> | J hoped internetatlarge.org would win. This is over. Let me try
> | to sort the mess. This is a task for the WG-DNS: it will be
> | reported when sorted.
> |
> | The priority is to have WG-WEB to address the draft site
> | issue, get public comments, organize a webmastering system which
> | will not be worse than Joop's (anyone taking over as a webmaster
> | will be confronted to the dilemn: either to be a tyrant to keep
> | some order and personal time control or a dedicated professional
> | with some real personal/financial motivations).
> |
> | jfc
> |
> |
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