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Re: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
Very good and well stated points of great interest and concern here
Richard. I support them. I would add that ICANN cannot even give
permission as their TM does not include the proper permissions to
do so, so hence such a letter would go unanswered or improperly
answered. Therefore this sort of thing is a total waste of time
and effort for the members and this organization as a whole.
We must move forward...
Richard Henderson wrote:
> Bruce
>
> I'd love to support this motion by seconding it, but I don't feel able to
> (a) because I'm not satisfied that icannatlarge.org is necessarily the name
> we should adopt (b) because by asking Icann for permission we seem to be
> conceding they have rights over the use of the name (c) because I'm darned
> if I'm prepared to go begging to a bunch of people like the ICANN Board for
> anything - I regard them as discredited, untrustworthy, and craven - I'm not
> willing to do business with people like this and I'm unwilling to be
> associated with them.
>
> They do not deserve our trust.
>
> We should not go begging for permission from them for anything, in my view.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Young <bruce@barelyadequate.info>
> To: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:02 AM
> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] RE: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
>
> > Richard, all discussions about ICANNATLARGE.ORG are academic until we ask
> > ICANN whether we have permission to use their trademarked name in ours.
> > That said,
> >
> > I move that this panel formally approach ICANN in writing and request
> > permission to use the name.
> >
> > Bruce Young
> > Portland, Oregon USA
> > bruce@barelyadequate.info
> > http://www.barelyadequate.info
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Support democratic control of the Internet!
> > Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
> >
> >
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> > | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:10 AM
> > | To: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > | Cc: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > | Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> > |
> > |
> > | Jefsey,
> > |
> > | To tell you the truth, I am very unhappy with the decision to
> > | use icannatlarge.org
> > |
> > | I think it is contentious, unhelpful and a bad choice.
> > |
> > | I would fully support you if you chose to withdraw it. I feel we
> > | need a name like atlarge.org which can then be used with 100's
> > | of appropriate subdomains, and the devolution of webmaster
> > | responsibilities to a multiplicity of participants
> > |
> > | canada.atlarge.org
> > | outreach.atlarge.org
> > | fiji.atlarge.org
> > | lotsof other things.atlarge.org
> > |
> > | There IS an issue of democratic will, of course, but I believe
> > | that most voters actively voted NOT to have the Icann name -
> > | they wanted anything other than the ICANN name, but their vote
> > | was split, whereas the pro-icann vote was focussed on a single name
> > |
> > | Besides, the name is not resolving, which is no use. And you
> > | (the owner/registrant of the name) advised against its use
> > | anyway, so why not withdraw the name and vote "Do we want the
> > | name ICANN in our name - YES or NO?"
> > |
> > | I believe the democratic will is in favour of jettisoning the name
> ICANN
> > |
> > | Richard
> > | ----- Original Message -----
> > | From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > | To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de
> > | Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:13 PM
> > | Subject: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to Jamie
> > |
> > |
> > | On 12:05 02/10/02, James Love said:
> > | Jefsey,
> > | > 1. I don't think we want a web page run by hundreds of
> > | people. On the contrary, I think we want the web page to be
> > | managed by a few people who can keep it current, and make sure
> > | it serves to enhance the transparency of the group.
> > |
> > | This is something to be decided by the panel upon proposition
> > | of the WG-WEB, and possibly to the membership to decide. Right
> > | now I am quite hesitant to give Sotiris full powers. I frankly
> > | see no real difference between Joop and Sotiris at the present
> > | stage. I will set-up my mind when :
> > |
> > | 1. I get the site IP address - the question risen by Sotiris
> > | means that he does not understand how it works (what I doubt) or
> > | he wants a control equivalent to Joop, I am not prepared to grant him.
> > |
> > | 2. I see a draft site to understand what he plans. There was
> > | plenty of time for him to present a draft site on
> > | worldatlarge.org. My approach would be to have him set up
> > | worldatlarge.org as the future icannatlarge.org site so we can
> > | use both addresses and evaluate the way he sets a site up and
> > | the time he can dedicate to it.
> > |
> > | From your remarks, I understand that you never shared in a
> > | cooperative site or an e-zine. What you want is the way it
> > | works, but hundreds of people can cooperate. This is the only
> > | way to make some real outreach: to imply people. We will no
> > | reinvent the wheel.
> > |
> > | We start with 190 authors wanted, one per contry. Plus
> > | probably 20 others, one per main topic, plus back-up and
> > | alternative views. I do not know if you looked at who is listed
> > | on our member list? Many are far more competent than me.
> > |
> > | > 2. We will have to make some policies on control of the
> > | site, and who has posting privledges. My own prefence is to
> > | have non-panel members maintain the content, so there are fewer
> > | transition issues in elections.
> > |
> > | Right. There should be tow or three people. IMHO a guy like
> > | NameCritic is a very good co-manager for such a task. There is
> > | areal difference between a one person's site (blog) and an
> > | e-zine. The first thing is to see how NameCritic and Satiris and
> > | Vittorio can make it together. Producing together is far more a
> > | challenge than talking/debating together.
> > |
> > | > 3. What is the deal over icannatlarge.org? Who controls
> > | this, and what will we have to do to get control of it?
> > |
> > | Ok. Let forget about that: I explained it 100 times. It seems
> > | that no one will ever want to read what I explain. So let me try
> > | to care about it. Just remember that none of you wanted to hear
> > | what I said and most went though that vote because our two Lady
> > | J hoped internetatlarge.org would win. This is over. Let me try
> > | to sort the mess. This is a task for the WG-DNS: it will be
> > | reported when sorted.
> > |
> > | The priority is to have WG-WEB to address the draft site
> > | issue, get public comments, organize a webmastering system which
> > | will not be worse than Joop's (anyone taking over as a webmaster
> > | will be confronted to the dilemn: either to be a tyrant to keep
> > | some order and personal time control or a dedicated professional
> > | with some real personal/financial motivations).
> > |
> > | jfc
> > |
> > |
> > |
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