Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] MOTION PROPOSAL: was WG-WEB: responses to Jamie

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Richard and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  I cannot second this motion.  Reason: We have already voted
on what should be or new Name.  That new name by democratic
process which you were so proud of Richard is ICANNATLARGE.ORG.
Now we must live with the will of the members.  So such a motion
although I personally agree with it's motive, is in effect trying to
negate a previous vote of the members.  That is decidedly not
a healthy democratic process...

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Well I move that we ask the membership whether they want the word "ICANN" in
> our name - YES or NO
>
> You can't have a much simpler question than that, and then I'd be happy to
> accept the democratic will more easily. At present I genuinely think there
> is ambiguity as to whether most of our members actually wanted ICANN in the
> name. I believe a coalition of not-have-Icann-in-the-name voters would
> actually outnumber those who wanted Icannatlarge.org, though of course I
> could be wrong.
>
> A vote will clarify that point. I propose the motion:
>
> Do you want the word "ICANN" in our name - YES or NO or Abstain
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce Young <bruce@barelyadequate.info>
> To: <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to
> Jamie
>
> > I don't disagree with this thinking.  But without a clear mandate from our
> > members rejecting the vote results, I don't see that we have the freedom
> to
> > reject their will as reflected in the vote.
> >
> > Bruce Young
> > Portland, Oregon USA
> > bruce@barelyadequate.info
> > http://www.barelyadequate.info
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Support democratic control of the Internet!
> > Go to http://www.icannatlarge.com and Join ICANN At Large!
> >
> >
> > |  -----Original Message-----
> > |  From: Richard Henderson [mailto:richardhenderson@ntlworld.com]
> > |  Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:19 AM
> > |  To: atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de; J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin
> > |  Cc: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > |  Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] WG-WEB: responses to
> > |  Jamie
> > |
> > |
> > |  What I'm trying to say is that in the world of democratic
> > |  politics, a "minority" may get the highest number of votes, but
> > |  the democratic will of the people may be expressed through a
> > |  "coalition" of smaller parties.
> > |
> > |  Eg : Imagine a UK election where
> > |
> > |  Conservatives 40%
> > |  Labour 31%
> > |  LibDem 16%
> > |
> > |  Clearly a coalition *could* be formed to outvote the Conservative group
> > |
> > |  The same may apply with regard to our name vote (we just don't
> > |  know without a clarifying poll)
> > |
> > |  I believe you'd find a majority coalition in favour of
> > |  jettisoning the "minority" ICANN name
> > |
> > |  I don't actually think icannatlarge.org is REALLY the name most
> > |  of our membership wants.
> > |
> > |  And as the name doesn't even resolve, and as the owner of the
> > |  name would prefer an alternative anyway - why do we stick with
> > |  an (arguably) non-working non-accessible non-popular name?
> > |
> > |  I argue the majority of voters did NOT want the name we've been
> > |  landed with.
> > |
> > |  And then there's the legality issue, which has yet to unfold
> > |
> > |  Richard
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
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