Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Hey! atlarge.org and icannatlarge.org!

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jefsey and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

> Thank you Marc. Your science of the DNs management helped a lot: I was at
> loss trying to get icannatlarge.org back and spent a lot of time/money on
> the phone with NSI without result!

  And the lack of result was of your own making!  Fixing your Name
Servers was all that was needed.  You did not accomplish that for some
reason.  Hence if you spent allot of time and money, you did so
unnecessarily Jefsey.

>
>
> Could you let us know what are your intents regarding "atlarge.org" which
> is the DN I think this organization eventually needs. As an alternative I
> registered "atlarge.ws" to support the deployment of the @large naming plan
> (http://icann.atlarge.xxx,  http://fr.atlarge.xxx etc...). This plan and
> therefore this domain name should be managed by the WG-DNS (I would be glad
> you to join).
>
> As we know there are probably cons and pros to use ".org" if ISOC takes it
> over and we may have to campaign on the matter in a way we do know yet. But
> obviously "atlarge.org" would be better as ICANN uses http://at-large.org .

  Now this is a very good point here Jefsey.  Yes indeed if the ISOC
indeed takes over .ORG which I am pretty sure it will, than we may have
a problem soon after.  Their definition of "Good Works" for credit
for any .ORG registration will likely come into play.  That may mean that
if at-large.org is the accepted "ATLARGE" for ICANN that we may
loose our regiostration(s) in the .ORG name space.  And thereby
hampering or even eliminating our effort.  Hence I would strongly
suggest that we get legal council on board, which means gathering
funding ASAP, because if we need to, we should be prepared for
a legal battle should such be necessary in the near future over this
problem.

>
>
> http://atlarge.ws is a second good choice for that reason. But the worst
> situation would be that you retain atlarge.org now, we develop under
> atlarge.ws and then you release or someone takes it over.
> jfc

  Yes again here Jefsey.  This is yet another direction that we could
take, but would in effect negatively impact our international membership
view publicly using a ccTLD for our presence.

>
>
> At 23:39 07/10/02, Marc Schneiders wrote:
>
> >Hi Richard,
> >
> >Thanks for your update on developments. I got icannatlarge.org by
> >myself, so to speak. It is not that difficult, if you know how expired
> >names are handled. Anyway, the organization can have it, naturally.
> >
> >Let me know what to do with it, and it will be arranged in no time.
> >For now I have set up the dns so that it points to the
> >icannatlarge.com website, both with and without www. I hope that is
> >OK.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, at 12:48 [=GMT+0100], Richard Henderson wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marc
> > >
> > > The situation is:
> > >
> > > www.icannatlarge.org won the vote. This name was apparently registered for
> > > Jefsey Morfin who offered its use.
> > >
> > > www.atlarge.org came second.
> > >
> > > However, since the vote took place, it emerges that Jefsey's
> > registration of
> > > www.icannatlarge.org expired on Oct 4th and appears to have been registered
> > > in YOUR name! (Maybe you had applied for this name in a Snapback/Snapnames
> > > or something?)
> > >
> > > So the situation is that YOU now have BOTH the top two names, and members
> > > are wondering/hoping you might be prepared to offer the winning name to the
> > > organisation (obviously only if you choose to, and on your own terms)
> > >
> > > There have been changes in the organisation. Joanna Lane and Judith
> > > Oppenheimer have both resigned, partly I think because there were concerns
> > > that Icann might challenge the panel legally over the use of the Icann name
> > > in IcannatLarge - however, there has been no evidence to date that Icann
> > > propose anything like this
> > >
> > > While I personally take the opposite view to you on the name, and prefer
> > > www.atlarge.org the democratic vote opted for www.icannatlarge.org
> > >
> > > The new Chair, Hans Klein, may get in touch with you to discuss things
> > >
> > > None of the above presupposes your own wishes or suggests any assumption as
> > > to what you want to do.
> > >
> > > With kind regards
> > >
> > > Richard Henderson
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marc Schneiders <marc@schneiders.org>
> > > To: Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 1:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Hey! atlarge.org and icannatlarge.org!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Richard,
> > > >
> > > > As I am abroad, in Berlin, at the moment and have a very bad
> > > > connection, I cannot reply in great detail. So for now just this: I am
> > > > still waiting for a reply from Joanna Lane, who asked me whether
> > > > icannatlarge.com could have atlarge.org. I said yes, but advised
> > > > against changing the name to avoid confusion, but the domain
> > > > atlarge.org was included in the vote, but since I am not following the
> > > > mailing list (which I told Joanna) I have no idea about the outcome of
> > > > the vote etc.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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