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[atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
Rodrigo and all assembly members,
Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> I'm not here as a surrogate of any kind; I'm here out of my own free will to
> share my thoughts and ideas on domain names and the law, and to listen to
> what other participants have to say, as that may lead to rethinking some
> things. Period.
>
> I'd like to know what IP specialists in INEGroup think about my position on
> generics, if you care to share it with them.
I did this yesterday Rodrigo. See archives on this thread...
>
>
> Atentamente, Regards
> Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 09:39 PM
> Para: rorenday@banxico.org.mx
> CC: ga@dnso.org; atlarge discuss list; Don Evans; cathy Handley; Nancy
> J. Victory
> Asunto: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
>
> Rodrigo and all assembly members or other interested parties,
>
> So how if your position is reasonable Rodrigo, are you going to
> deal with the many organizations that already have .ORG registrations
> that don't meet you suggested criterion? Are you suggesting that
> those registrations just be taken away? Grand fathering? If the
> latter, how than are you going to justify not allowing new registrations
> in .ORG that are based on generic terms? In my country, this might
> be considered unduly restricting a mode of speech.
>
> So again Rodrigo, I think you really looking at a jurisdictional issue
> here. If your country wishes to restrict registrations as you suggest
> in .ORG, than that's fine with me. I hope your people/public find it
> acceptable also. Somehow I doubt that they will.
>
> My and our [INEgroup's] position is now and has been for some time
> now that DN's regardless of their name space should not be mapped
> or in any way associated with TM law in any country. BTW,
> Rodrigo, our organization has about 5000 members that are Mexican
> citizens... >;) And a number of them are IP "specialists"... >;)
>
> Now Rodrigo, I realize as do a number of others on this forum that
> you position here is VERY similar to Joe Sims and Louis Touton's
> views. As such I can't help but wonder if you are not here as
> a surrogate of one type of another... >;)
>
> Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
>
> > Well, to begin with, simply that they were not meant to register it there;
> > they have their own specific gTLD, and in abusing gTLDs like that, they
> > preclude other persons' rights to register in .org.
> >
> > Say for example WHO.ORG; who should be entitled to that domain? The World
> > Health Organization (who should register under .INT), or the rock band (if
> > they were still playing, that is)?.
> >
> > My perspective is much more about order, respecting other people's rights
> > and conforming to the law than just about controlling them, Professor.
> >
> > Atentamente, Regards
> > Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> > [mailto:froomkin@law.miami.edu]
> > Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 04:58 PM
> > Para: Rodrigo Orenday Serrato
> > CC: 'Leah Gallegos'; 'Andy Gardner'; ga@dnso.org
> > Asunto: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
> >
> > Why is it so important to make rules and control people? What's the
> > *harm* if an international organization chooses to register in .org?
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >
> > > Alright, then let's prevent international organizations from registering
> > in
> > > ..org, since that's what .int was meant for in the first place.
> > >
> > > Atentamente, Regards
> > > Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> > >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: Leah Gallegos [mailto:jandl@jandl.com]
> > > Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 02:20 PM
> > > Para: rorenday@banxico.org.mx; 'Andy Gardner'; ga@dnso.org
> > > Asunto: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday 10 October 2002 01:15 pm, Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> > > > I insist that the naming of States is a matter of public interest, and
> > > > therefore registrars should ban the registration of domain names
> > > comprising
> > > > the names of States, unless registration is requested by the State
> > > > concerned.
> > >
> > > Fortunately, IMO, the law does not agree. States and governments in
> > general
> > > should use .gov or the equiv. for official uses. If this were not the
> > case,
> > > there would never be songs like "New York, New York" or "Chicago" and
> > there
> > > would not have been a ship named the Queen Mary because commercial use
> of
> > a
> > > government name would be illegal. In addition, there would be hundreds
> of
> > > thousands of businesses that would never have existed if the use of
> > regions
> > > or government names were illegal. UDRP should be disallowed if the
> result
> > > is
> > > the out and out theft of legitmately held domains.
> > >
> > > Leah
> > >
> > > The US has .gov for government domains and ccTLDs should do the same.
> > > Actually, .US should be the home of governmental sites for the US, IMO,
> > with
> > > a .gov.us, but that is another discussion.
> > >
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> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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