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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:NewZealand.biz
Hey, a good idea, rodrigo. Put up a website and file the domain name
IPSpecialistsOpinionsOnGenericDomainNames.com, then Ip speacialist who want
to respond can go there, but oops, according to you, that would be generic
and therefore illegal or invalid. What a shame.
Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <rorenday@banxico.org.mx>
Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; "'atlarge discuss list'"
<atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; "'Don Evans'" <DEvans@doc.gov>; "'cathy
Handley'" <chandley@ntia.doc.gov>; "'Nancy J. Victory'"
<nvictory@ntia.doc.gov>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re:
NewZealand.biz
> Rodrigo and all assembly members,
>
> Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
>
> > I'm not here as a surrogate of any kind; I'm here out of my own free
will to
> > share my thoughts and ideas on domain names and the law, and to listen
to
> > what other participants have to say, as that may lead to rethinking some
> > things. Period.
> >
> > I'd like to know what IP specialists in INEGroup think about my position
on
> > generics, if you care to share it with them.
>
> I did this yesterday Rodrigo. See archives on this thread...
>
> >
> >
> > Atentamente, Regards
> > Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 09:39 PM
> > Para: rorenday@banxico.org.mx
> > CC: ga@dnso.org; atlarge discuss list; Don Evans; cathy Handley; Nancy
> > J. Victory
> > Asunto: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
> >
> > Rodrigo and all assembly members or other interested parties,
> >
> > So how if your position is reasonable Rodrigo, are you going to
> > deal with the many organizations that already have .ORG registrations
> > that don't meet you suggested criterion? Are you suggesting that
> > those registrations just be taken away? Grand fathering? If the
> > latter, how than are you going to justify not allowing new registrations
> > in .ORG that are based on generic terms? In my country, this might
> > be considered unduly restricting a mode of speech.
> >
> > So again Rodrigo, I think you really looking at a jurisdictional issue
> > here. If your country wishes to restrict registrations as you suggest
> > in .ORG, than that's fine with me. I hope your people/public find it
> > acceptable also. Somehow I doubt that they will.
> >
> > My and our [INEgroup's] position is now and has been for some time
> > now that DN's regardless of their name space should not be mapped
> > or in any way associated with TM law in any country. BTW,
> > Rodrigo, our organization has about 5000 members that are Mexican
> > citizens... >;) And a number of them are IP "specialists"... >;)
> >
> > Now Rodrigo, I realize as do a number of others on this forum that
> > you position here is VERY similar to Joe Sims and Louis Touton's
> > views. As such I can't help but wonder if you are not here as
> > a surrogate of one type of another... >;)
> >
> > Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> >
> > > Well, to begin with, simply that they were not meant to register it
there;
> > > they have their own specific gTLD, and in abusing gTLDs like that,
they
> > > preclude other persons' rights to register in .org.
> > >
> > > Say for example WHO.ORG; who should be entitled to that domain? The
World
> > > Health Organization (who should register under .INT), or the rock band
(if
> > > they were still playing, that is)?.
> > >
> > > My perspective is much more about order, respecting other people's
rights
> > > and conforming to the law than just about controlling them, Professor.
> > >
> > > Atentamente, Regards
> > > Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> > >
> > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > De: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> > > [mailto:froomkin@law.miami.edu]
> > > Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 04:58 PM
> > > Para: Rodrigo Orenday Serrato
> > > CC: 'Leah Gallegos'; 'Andy Gardner'; ga@dnso.org
> > > Asunto: RE: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
> > >
> > > Why is it so important to make rules and control people? What's the
> > > *harm* if an international organization chooses to register in .org?
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alright, then let's prevent international organizations from
registering
> > > in
> > > > ..org, since that's what .int was meant for in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > Atentamente, Regards
> > > > Rodrigo Orenday Serratos
> > > >
> > > > -----Mensaje original-----
> > > > De: Leah Gallegos [mailto:jandl@jandl.com]
> > > > Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Octubre de 2002 02:20 PM
> > > > Para: rorenday@banxico.org.mx; 'Andy Gardner'; ga@dnso.org
> > > > Asunto: Re: [ga] Interesting WIPO ruling re: NewZealand.biz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 10 October 2002 01:15 pm, Rodrigo Orenday Serrato wrote:
> > > > > I insist that the naming of States is a matter of public interest,
and
> > > > > therefore registrars should ban the registration of domain names
> > > > comprising
> > > > > the names of States, unless registration is requested by the State
> > > > > concerned.
> > > >
> > > > Fortunately, IMO, the law does not agree. States and governments in
> > > general
> > > > should use .gov or the equiv. for official uses. If this were not
the
> > > case,
> > > > there would never be songs like "New York, New York" or "Chicago"
and
> > > there
> > > > would not have been a ship named the Queen Mary because commercial
use
> > of
> > > a
> > > > government name would be illegal. In addition, there would be
hundreds
> > of
> > > > thousands of businesses that would never have existed if the use of
> > > regions
> > > > or government names were illegal. UDRP should be disallowed if the
> > result
> > > > is
> > > > the out and out theft of legitmately held domains.
> > > >
> > > > Leah
> > > >
> > > > The US has .gov for government domains and ccTLDs should do the
same.
> > > > Actually, .US should be the home of governmental sites for the US,
IMO,
> > > with
> > > > a .gov.us, but that is another discussion.
> > > >
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> Jeffrey A. Williams
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