Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection

[eric@hi-tek.com]

There it is, the spirit that conquers mountains and bridges divides.
I like it and am proud to be a member of any group Chris and Richard and Sotiris
have a stake in.
Did anyone notice at-large groups are actually gaining some recognition and
momentum.
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Richard Henderson wrote:

> Keep me posted, Chris - I'm interested in participating in your group as
> well as this one - what matters is the outcome - the outcome will need to
> demonstrate democratic accountability, even if a founder sets out his/her
> stall first to kick-start things into motion. I've been considering doing
> the same myself if this organisation gets too narrow. There's no shame
> belonging to several groups. The proof is in the results. Whichever group
> attracts substantial membership and becomes a force for ordinary internet
> users is worth supporting, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> I'm equally interested in an alternative group built along the lines of
> Jefsey's www.atlarge
> structures, if such a group was launched.
>
> As Jefsey says: there can be 1000's of groups
> As Danny says: we're ALL the AtLarge
>
> At the same time, with a bit more patience this group icannatlage.org (hate
> the name) has a foundation on which to build
>
> It's wait and see time, and get on and do time, and we'll find out later who
> achieved something substantial
>
> Richard H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NameCritic <chris1@telnor.net>
> To: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Cc: Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection
>
> > If what you say is true Sotiris, then I am disappointed as well. But these
> > lists have disappointed me in the past. Don't know why I thought this time
> > would be different. I'm going to file a domain name, build a website,
> write
> > a mission statement, file the paperwork for a nonprofit, and then seek
> > members who wish to help define the mission of the organization further.
> By
> > the way. ALl of that will take me about a week, because I also have
> projects
> > other than this that are a priority. It's shameful that this organization
> > has taken this long to do absolutely nothing.
> >
> > At this point I have one member, me. When it's finished, I'll post about
> it.
> > Maybe others will join.
> >
> > Tired of waiting on the panel here to make any, I repeat ANY substantive
> > recommendations that will get things rolling. Tired of arguing about
> simple
> > tasks. An organization is easiest done by a Founder, then it recruits
> > members who wish to aid in achieving the organization's goals. This whole
> > list process is about as backwards as it can be and as unproductive as it
> > can be. But as long as groups do things this way ICANN can continue to
> lower
> > the importance of these groups due to their lack of accomplishment for
> even
> > the simplest of tasks.
> >
> > I have felt that my time here could be much better spent on surfing the
> web
> > for jokes. It wouldn't be any more of a laugh then this though.
> >
> > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> > To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> > Cc: <james.love@cptech.org>; <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> > <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; <jefsey@club-internet.fr>;
> > <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection
> >
> >
> > > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jamie,
> > > >
> > > > Before you begin questioning the relationship between established user
> > > > organizations and ICANN, you might want to ask if your own group,
> > without any
> > > > organizational documents, without even a mission statement, bylaws or
> > > > charter, even qualifies as an organization suitable for recognition as
> > an
> > > > at-large structure.
> > >
> > > Perhaps a dis-organization, then?  Especially of late.
> > >
> > > Before I received this email from Danny, I was about to post a link to
> the
> > list
> > > directing all of you to a mock-up web site which Hans requested I put
> > together
> > > (even though I had ALREADY set up the PHPNuke site for all of you to
> view
> > a
> > > couple months ago!  Remember that ladies and gentlemen?!?  Check the
> > archives, if
> > > you like...).  However, having read Danny's email I stopped myself and
> > decided to
> > > visit the Panel's closed list archive for a look at how our leaders are
> > going
> > > about the business of this "organization".  Much to my surprise, I saw a
> > motion
> > > from Jamie Love (seconded by Hans Klein) to make Brett Faussett the new
> > > webmaster.  No offense against Brett, but where's he been for the last
> > couple
> > > months? I didn't hear him volunteering his services when a new webmaster
> > was
> > > being sought.  Or, ( as is probably the case) is this some kind of a
> > compromise
> > > selection to placate Joop?  In any case, if this is the direction the
> > Panel
> > > wishes to take, then I wish them all the power in the world.  However, I
> > cannot
> > > for a moment understand why the WG-Web members (of which I am one) were
> > not
> > > consulted?
> > >
> > > > As per the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform's Second Interim
> > > > Implementation Report:  "We agree that individual at large entities
> > should
> > > > meet some "accreditation" standard, and we find the criteria and
> > standards
> > > > recommended by the Assistance Group to be an attractive list."
> > > >
> > > > This "list" stipulates structured, self-sustaining entities that
> engage
> > in
> > > > outreach and post current information about the organization's aims,
> > > > structure, constituents, working mechanisms, and current leadership.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Your aims are not posted
> > >
> > > To date I submitted TWO different versions of Mission Statements for
> this
> > > organization (both several months ago) which elicited next to no
> comments,
> > and
> > > yet there is still no substantive work produced by the 'power elite'
> among
> > us on
> > > this issue.  Shameful.  This and the webmaster issue noted above are
> > enough to
> > > put off persons (such as myself) who are willing to contribute
> > substantively...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2.  You have no organizational structure
> > >
> > > Oh, but we do... dis-organization.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3.  You are not self-sustaining
> > >
> > > If bombast and self-important bluster were the fuel of the day, I'd say
> > we're
> > > self-perpetuating rather than self-sustaining.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 4.  You have no established working mechanisms or procedures for the
> > general
> > > > membership
> > >
> > > Why bother, that would detract from the nominal importance of our Panel
> > > Members...  BTW, Danny, have you perhaps heard anything from that
> champion
> > of the
> > > common netizens, Satyajit Gupta?  I wonder if the other Panel Members
> > approve of
> > > his delinquency?  If not, then why are there no steps being taken to
> > replace him?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 5.  You can't document any organizational outreach activities
> > >
> > > Well, you might have something there.  Perhaps Richard Henderson can
> fill
> > us in
> > > on the progress towards the 100, 000 membership base he promised.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After you get your own house in order, then feel free to question the
> > > > relationship of ISOC chapters to ICANN -- they at least meet the
> minimum
> > > > criteria expected for an at-large structure.
> > >
> > > Except for the fact that they are now a Registry operator, which puts
> them
> > in the
> > > gTLD constituency...
> > >
> > > Seriously Disappointed,
> > >
> > > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> > >
> > >
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