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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection
Chris,
Rather than have you register yet another domain, how about I simply donate the
domain: worldatlarge.org?
Sincerely,
Sotiris Sotiropoulos
NameCritic wrote:
> If what you say is true Sotiris, then I am disappointed as well. But these
> lists have disappointed me in the past. Don't know why I thought this time
> would be different. I'm going to file a domain name, build a website, write
> a mission statement, file the paperwork for a nonprofit, and then seek
> members who wish to help define the mission of the organization further. By
> the way. ALl of that will take me about a week, because I also have projects
> other than this that are a priority. It's shameful that this organization
> has taken this long to do absolutely nothing.
>
> At this point I have one member, me. When it's finished, I'll post about it.
> Maybe others will join.
>
> Tired of waiting on the panel here to make any, I repeat ANY substantive
> recommendations that will get things rolling. Tired of arguing about simple
> tasks. An organization is easiest done by a Founder, then it recruits
> members who wish to aid in achieving the organization's goals. This whole
> list process is about as backwards as it can be and as unproductive as it
> can be. But as long as groups do things this way ICANN can continue to lower
> the importance of these groups due to their lack of accomplishment for even
> the simplest of tasks.
>
> I have felt that my time here could be much better spent on surfing the web
> for jokes. It wouldn't be any more of a laugh then this though.
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <james.love@cptech.org>; <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; <jefsey@club-internet.fr>;
> <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection
>
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Jamie,
> > >
> > > Before you begin questioning the relationship between established user
> > > organizations and ICANN, you might want to ask if your own group,
> without any
> > > organizational documents, without even a mission statement, bylaws or
> > > charter, even qualifies as an organization suitable for recognition as
> an
> > > at-large structure.
> >
> > Perhaps a dis-organization, then? Especially of late.
> >
> > Before I received this email from Danny, I was about to post a link to the
> list
> > directing all of you to a mock-up web site which Hans requested I put
> together
> > (even though I had ALREADY set up the PHPNuke site for all of you to view
> a
> > couple months ago! Remember that ladies and gentlemen?!? Check the
> archives, if
> > you like...). However, having read Danny's email I stopped myself and
> decided to
> > visit the Panel's closed list archive for a look at how our leaders are
> going
> > about the business of this "organization". Much to my surprise, I saw a
> motion
> > from Jamie Love (seconded by Hans Klein) to make Brett Faussett the new
> > webmaster. No offense against Brett, but where's he been for the last
> couple
> > months? I didn't hear him volunteering his services when a new webmaster
> was
> > being sought. Or, ( as is probably the case) is this some kind of a
> compromise
> > selection to placate Joop? In any case, if this is the direction the
> Panel
> > wishes to take, then I wish them all the power in the world. However, I
> cannot
> > for a moment understand why the WG-Web members (of which I am one) were
> not
> > consulted?
> >
> > > As per the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform's Second Interim
> > > Implementation Report: "We agree that individual at large entities
> should
> > > meet some "accreditation" standard, and we find the criteria and
> standards
> > > recommended by the Assistance Group to be an attractive list."
> > >
> > > This "list" stipulates structured, self-sustaining entities that engage
> in
> > > outreach and post current information about the organization's aims,
> > > structure, constituents, working mechanisms, and current leadership.
> > >
> > > 1. Your aims are not posted
> >
> > To date I submitted TWO different versions of Mission Statements for this
> > organization (both several months ago) which elicited next to no comments,
> and
> > yet there is still no substantive work produced by the 'power elite' among
> us on
> > this issue. Shameful. This and the webmaster issue noted above are
> enough to
> > put off persons (such as myself) who are willing to contribute
> substantively...
> >
> > >
> > > 2. You have no organizational structure
> >
> > Oh, but we do... dis-organization.
> >
> > >
> > > 3. You are not self-sustaining
> >
> > If bombast and self-important bluster were the fuel of the day, I'd say
> we're
> > self-perpetuating rather than self-sustaining.
> >
> > >
> > > 4. You have no established working mechanisms or procedures for the
> general
> > > membership
> >
> > Why bother, that would detract from the nominal importance of our Panel
> > Members... BTW, Danny, have you perhaps heard anything from that champion
> of the
> > common netizens, Satyajit Gupta? I wonder if the other Panel Members
> approve of
> > his delinquency? If not, then why are there no steps being taken to
> replace him?
> >
> > >
> > > 5. You can't document any organizational outreach activities
> >
> > Well, you might have something there. Perhaps Richard Henderson can fill
> us in
> > on the progress towards the 100, 000 membership base he promised.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > After you get your own house in order, then feel free to question the
> > > relationship of ISOC chapters to ICANN -- they at least meet the minimum
> > > criteria expected for an at-large structure.
> >
> > Except for the fact that they are now a Registry operator, which puts them
> in the
> > gTLD constituency...
> >
> > Seriously Disappointed,
> >
> > Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
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