Re: [atlarge-discuss] Products for Shanghai

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Chris and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

NameCritic wrote:

> I'm hearing that there are objections to Danny speaking for this group and
> now you propose that INEGroup members do so?

  No I am not proposing anything of the sort.  I am informing everyone
that it is a possibility only, and would require the members of this
organizations approval as I clearly stated, Chris.  Had you properly
read what I posted below, you would have understood that.  Unfortunately,
you did not.

> I don't remember any resolution
> authorizing anyone from that group to speak for us. Please tell us their
> names so we can consider it Jeff.

  Again had you read what I posted correctly, you would also know
that at this point in time I do not know which of our [INEGroup] members will
be attending, and that when I do, I will inform the ICANNATLARGE.ORG
members.

>
>
> And if you say you were not talking about them speaking for this group, why
> are you using this list to discuss the matter?

  I am discussing nothing.  I am informing the members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG
of a possibility, nothing more, Chris.  And again had you read what I posted
you would have known and understood that clearly as well.  But, again,
unfortunately you did not do so.

>
>
> Personally I wish Danny would just sign up as a member. I would have no
> problem having him speak for us at that conference or anywhere else in that
> case.

  Good for you!  I hope that the rest of the members of ICANNATLARGE.ORG
agree with you or at least a majority of them do.  I do not given his
obvious and often stated slights towards the members here...

>
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Products for Shanghai
>
> > Danny, Hans and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
> >
> >   This is a pretty good brief Danny.  It could be used to aid in
> > proposing a resolution for Shanghai but this organization.  However
> > time is very short to do so...
> >
> >   Will you be attending in Shanghai Danny?  How about you Hans?
> > If not, two or our [INEGroup] members will be as I understand it.
> > So our [INEGRoup] members could present such a resolution
> > via proxy if acceptable I believe.  I will see whom it is that
> > will be attending in Shanghai from our [INEGRoup] members
> > and make them aware as well as ask them to consider it...
> >
> > DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hans,
> > >
> > > Re:  http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/0210/msg00170.html
> > > In response to your request for a 1-page analysis of a relevant issue, I
> have
> > > taken the liberty of preparing a preliminary issue brief for
> consideration:
> > >
> > > Resellers as a Source of Registrant Confusion
> > >
> > > At the November 2001 Marina del Rey Names Council session a
> representative of
> > > the Business Constituency remarked that fully 70% of all domain name
> > > registrants may be unaware of who their registrars are (owing in great
> > > measure to the rapid proliferation of ISPs and other resellers that
> provide
> > > registration services), and it may now be noted that the consequences of
> this
> > > consumer confusion have already begun to deleteriously affect the
> entirety of
> > > the domain name industry -- as such, this is a matter which should be of
> > > concern to the ICANN Board.
> > >
> > > At issue is the rampant confusion ultimately made visibly manifest
> through
> > > the transfer of sponsorship process.  When a registrant decides to take
> > > advantage of lower domain name pricing made possible via ICANN's efforts
> to
> > > enhance competition at the registrar level, such a registrant will
> > > predictably attempt to transfer his existing registration to another
> sponsor
> > > at the conclusion of the registration period.  Invariably, these
> registrants
> > > will then receive correspondence from an entity with whom they have had
> no
> > > other prior contact (their own losing registrar) and either don't know
> how to
> > > respond to the letter, or will ignore the letter as another piece of
> daily
> > > junk mail.  Often this confusion then results in the subsequent denial
> of the
> > > transfer request by those registrars that adhere to a NACK policy, and
> this
> > > in turn serves to make a bad situation even worse by facilitating the
> > > development of an unnecessary acrimony between these registrants and the
> > > respective registrars.  Those registrants held hostage by this process
> > > accordingly begin to reevaluate the desirability of maintaining domain
> names,
> > > and the regular and steady shrinkage in the CNO bears testimony to the
> > > private response of the registrant community to this ongoing abusive
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > Sixteen months ago, a representative of the Enom registrar made the
> following
> > > comment:  "I believe that in this extremely competitive situation we
> find
> > > ourselves in, some of us are trying to protect our market shares by
> "making
> > > sure" the registrant really wishes to leave, and inadvertently, by
> making it
> > > more difficult for the registrants to switch, these registrars may be
> > > reinforcing the willingness of the registrants to switch. A terrible
> spiral
> > > consisting of an increasing desire to switch and an increasing
> difficulty to
> > > switch increasingly exasperates and frustrates all of our customers."
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg00653.html
> > >
> > > To end this vicious cycle which has become only worse over the course of
> > > time, direct action by the ICANN Board is required.  In addition to
> > > considering the recommendations soon to be offered by the Names Council
> > > Transfers Task Force, it would be prudent for the Board to consider
> measures
> > > that would enable registrants to readily know who their
> registrar-of-record
> > > actually is -- such measures would go a long way toward reducing
> potential
> > > registrant confusion.  There are at present domain name resellers that
> don't
> > > even cite the name of the ICANN accredited registrar in their Terms of
> > > Service contract, but this situation is a matter that can be readily
> > > rectified by Board action.  Just as registrars are bound by contract to
> > > ICANN, so too can resellers be bound to contractual requirements which
> would
> > > force them, at the very least, to clearly identify to the registrant the
> > > ICANN accredited registrar responsible for their domain name
> sponsorship.
> > >
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> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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> >
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208



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