Re: [atlarge-discuss] Membership

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Danny and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,

  Good idea and set of questions here Danny.  Especially coming from
a non-member..

  Below your questions  individually, Danny, is my take...

DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:

> As we look forward toward the prospect of bylaws and a Charter, I think its
> time that we had a real discussion on who is and who is not an At-Large
> member.  We are generally agreed that membership in the At-Large is open to
> both organizations and individuals... but does that mean, for example, that
> Tucows or NeuStar are entitled to be an At-Large member?

  We are not as far as I know in ICANNATLARGE.ORG "Generally Agreed"
that the membership is open to organizations.  Now the AT-Large.org
seems to be only interested in it's membership being open to Organizations,
and NOT individuals...

>  How about Roger
> Cochetti, the policy advisor for VeriSign... is he entitled to be an At-Large
> member?

  Sure, why not?

>  What about the Business Constituency?

  Nope, it is a constituency of ICANN and and organization not and individual.

> Is it entitled to call itself
> a member of the At-Large?

  Nope.  See just above...

> What about individual active BC members... can
> they simultaneously be considered to be At-Large members?

   Sure as individuals they sure could.

>
>
> The question is important because, in my mind, the At-Large was never
> designed to be a vehicle to accommodate everyone -- instead, as per the
> "Principles of the At-Large Membership" as first enumerated by the Membership
> Advisory Committee, "At-Large membership should primarily represent those
> individuals and organizations that are not represented by the Supporting
> Organizations (SOs)".

  That's ICANN speak.  It may or may not apply to the ICANNATLARGE.ORG.

>
>
> Yet within this icannatlarge.com organization we have a large complement of
> members that are "already" represented within the Supporting Organizations --
> several panelists belong to the NCDNHC, and the proposed webmaster, among
> others, is a member of the BC.

  I think you mean ICANNATLARGE.ORG Danny.  >;)

>  Do these people have a right to call
> themselves members of the At-Large if they already have representation
> vis-a-vis the Supporting Organizations?

  Well sure why not?  Seems that you are indirectly implying that they
should not be able to be members of AN Atlarge organization.  Is that
right Danny?  If so, why?  If not than of course ignore the connotation.

> Do you consider Amadeu Abril i Abril
> to be an At-Large member?

  IF he joins, sure.

> He's a reigning director on the Board of ICANN
> elected by the DNSO who claims to be a member of icannatlarge.com.

  Again I think you mean ICANNATLARGE.ORG Danny.  In any event,
why shouldn't he be able to join and become a member of the ICANNATLARGE.ORG
as an individual?

> By my
> definition, none of these people are members of the At-Large (and that
> includes Hans Klein and Jamie Love of the NCDNHC) as all of them already have
> representation within the SOs -- the At-Large is supposed to be the unique
> home for those without such representation.

  Ahhh, now we get to the punch line finally.  Well Danny, such a consideration
or practice would be akin to saying that black golfer could not belong
to the PGA because he is black.  So what you are suggesting here is
a form of discrimination.  We some time ago heard these same arguments
and proclamations in the DNSO GA, from you...  Frankly this sort
of discrimination is disgusting Danny...

>
>
> Even ICANN recognizes the fact that if you are a member of one constituency,
> you shouldn't simultaneously be a member of another consituency... this was
> made crystal clear in the proposed bylaws:  "No person or entity that is an
> active member of any one Constituency shall be a member of any other
> Constituency".
>
> Perhaps one of the reasons that we don't yet have bylaws for this group is
> that many in the current leadership know that by any sensible definition they
> would be excluded from membership in the very organization they now lead.
>
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