Re: [atlarge-discuss] Quis custodiet?

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

I am pleased with any progress but unhappy that it is not public.
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> Hans, what does it mean, "The panel currently has a draft bylaws."   Is
> this  short for "Hans posted a draft bylaws" to a list?  Does that make
> it a panel  draft?  Did it come from the bylaws wg?   Jamie
> 
> 
> Hans Klein wrote:
>> 
>> Sotiris,
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing out David Farrar's excellent contributions on 
>> incorporation and bylaws.  My apologies to Mr. Farrar, in that I
>> failed  to see his messages.
>> 
>> The panel currently has a draft bylaws.  It should be much easier to 
>> work with Mr. Farrar's proposals now that we have gotten some focus on
>>  our own thinking!
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 12:03 AM 10/21/2002 -0400, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
>> 
>>> A short while ago, David Farrar made the generous offer of
>>> registering this organization as a New Zealand
>>> non-profit.  His proposal was a serious one and it
>>> received next to no attention by our Panel which has yet
>>> to even have begun discussing any feasible alternatives or
>>> options.  David followed up his first offer with a solid
>>> draft of a possible constitutional document for the
>>> administrative and executive sedimenting of our
>>> organization.  His submission was again given little (if
>>> any?) consideration by our Panel.  Instead, the Panel List
>>> is undergoing a potentially distempering discussion on a
>>> by-laws rush job where inflammatory language has now been
>>> introduced:
>>> *************
>>> Subject: Re: [atlarge-panel] Our status going into
>>> Shanghai
>>> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:40:53 -0400
>>> From: James Love <james.love@cptech.org>
>>> To: Hans Klein <hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu>
>>> CC: panel list <atlarge-panel@lists.fitug.de>
>>> References:
>>> <5.1.0.14.2.20021020161720.0399de60@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> >No fucking way should the version 1 draft bylaws be
>>> published in 24 hours.
>>> >    THey are an embrassment from the legal point of view,
>>> there has been no
>>> >debate on the panel....   This is exactly the type of
>>> crap that makes us
>>> >look like idiots.
>>>
>>> >1.  The format isn't even right for bylaws.
>>> >2.  They don't way how changes in bylaws are approved.
>>> >3.  They leave out lots of key issues for a real set of
>>> bylaws, such a
>>> >conflict of interest.
>>>
>>> >If you want a good idea of what they might look like,
>>> take a look at the
>>> >Canadian CIRA bylaws.  Note they are 23 pages in PDF
>>> form. I don't think we
>>> >need as many pages, but hello, there is a lot of stuff
>>> just missing from
>>> >Han's instant bylaws trick.
>>>
>>> http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/0210/msg00256.html
>>> *****************
>>>
>>> It's nice to see that passion is still part of the
>>> political discourse of the present day, otherwise I'd feel
>>> as if I fell into a ward full of sedated and drooling
>>> nod-givers right about now.  What is happening here
>>> exactly?
>>>
>>> I'm with Danny on the proposal of a rule to ensure that
>>> this organization's Panel NOT be made up of other related
>>> organizations' Panel Members.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>>>
>>>
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