Re: [atlarge-discuss] The web page

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

I'd obviously like votes on the bylaws eventually (following discussion
among the membership about different versions) - and I'd equally like a vote
on the method and personnel through which we intend to guide Bret (who
otherwise has an invidious position). Similarly I'd like a process agreed
for discussing various mission statements, and ultimately voting on them
(and should that be a panel vote or a membership vote?). But I'm not in a
hectic rush to see these votes addressed. The process of consultation and
the creation of choice is more important. My objection to Bret's appointment
was not to do with him as a person, but that there was no choice provided,
and inadequate opportunity for the membership as a whole to participate. For
the time being (during this Shanghai period) I don't really care too much
that we put up some provisional stuff (providing we're all clear that it IS
provisional). To be honest, the Icann show at Shanghai does not interest me
greatly - it's a bit like Saddam Hussein polling 100% of the votes this week
in his election - the outcomes are rigged in advance anyway - I think we do
well to haunt their party as the enduring ghost of the At Large - however
I'm much more interested in our own agenda and how we organise and build up
our independent identity (which has precious little to do with Icann as far
as I'm concerned). I think you're mostly too obsessed with the game you
can't win inside their corrupt little empire. They just laugh at you in your
face. They despise and marginalise a constituency they regard as
insignificant. We are the "untouchables" on the fringes of their society.
You could spend a lifetime trying to get "into" Icann and their I*society -
and you'd still be out in the corridors in the cold - because they have no
intention at all of handing over power. Therefore, sure let's vote on
bylaws, mission, web administration etc but let's do it with a proper
process and let's not get too worked up if it needs further refinement.

Shanghai is a necessary distraction. It's not the main course.

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: James Love <james.love@cptech.org>
To: Bret Fausett <fausett@lextext.com>
Cc: At Large Discuss <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] The web page


> Bret has a good point.  If the panel is content to allow Hans to run
> everything and just decide everything from bylaws to whatever else comes
up,
>   and if Hans appionts himself the chair and entire web-wg, as he
apparently
> has, as well as the chair and entire membership of the bylaws wg, then I
> guess Hans can do whatever he wants with the web page, the bylaws, or
> whatever.  I'm not sure what my role is as a member of the panel.  I don't
> know if Hans or the silent panel members want votes on anthing or not.  I
> guess I'll just have to register my objections to the list.
>
> Jamie
>
>
> Bret Fausett wrote:
> > I have no intention to post anything to the site absent some sort of
> > instruction from the Chair or the panel about what I should post and
when.
> > If the Chair and/or panel wishes to delegate this to task to a
subcommittee
> > or an individual, then kindly let me know to whom I should look for
> > guidance.
> >
> > My current understanding is that Hans Klein is the Interim Chair of the
> > panel. Unless the panel instructs me otherwise, I intend to do what Hans
> > asks me to do. (I'm not sure what choice I have.) If that's a problem,
then
> > the panel, by a majority vote, should give me a different instruction.
> >
> >      -- Bret
> >
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