RE: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection

["Bruce Young" <bruce@barelyadequate.info>]

Hans Klein wrote:

| If you have a mock-up web site, I am sure we would all be 
| eager to see it.

I agree.  I was hoping for a "Webmaster code-off" or such!

Bruce Young
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: Hans Klein [mailto:hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu]
| Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:30 PM
| To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
| Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: WG-DNS name protection
| 
| 
| 
| Sotiris,
| 
| If you have a mock-up web site, I am sure we would all be 
| eager to see it.
| 
| Can you post the URL?
| 
| Hans
| 
| 
| 
| At 02:15 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Sotiris Sotiropoulos wrote:
| >DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
| >
| > > Jamie,
| > >
| > > Before you begin questioning the relationship between 
| established user
| > > organizations and ICANN, you might want to ask if your own group, 
| > without any
| > > organizational documents, without even a mission 
| statement, bylaws or
| > > charter, even qualifies as an organization suitable for 
| recognition as an
| > > at-large structure.
| >
| >Perhaps a dis-organization, then?  Especially of late.
| >
| >Before I received this email from Danny, I was about to post 
| a link to the 
| >list
| >directing all of you to a mock-up web site which Hans 
| requested I put together
| >(even though I had ALREADY set up the PHPNuke site for all 
| of you to view a
| >couple months ago!  Remember that ladies and gentlemen?!?  Check the 
| >archives, if
| >you like...).  However, having read Danny's email I stopped 
| myself and 
| >decided to
| >visit the Panel's closed list archive for a look at how our 
| leaders are going
| >about the business of this "organization".  Much to my 
| surprise, I saw a 
| >motion
| >from Jamie Love (seconded by Hans Klein) to make Brett 
| Faussett the new
| >webmaster.  No offense against Brett, but where's he been 
| for the last couple
| >months? I didn't hear him volunteering his services when a 
| new webmaster was
| >being sought.  Or, ( as is probably the case) is this some kind of a 
| >compromise
| >selection to placate Joop?  In any case, if this is the 
| direction the Panel
| >wishes to take, then I wish them all the power in the world. 
|  However, I 
| >cannot
| >for a moment understand why the WG-Web members (of which I 
| am one) were not
| >consulted?
| >
| > > As per the Committee on ICANN Evolution and Reform's 
| Second Interim
| > > Implementation Report:  "We agree that individual at 
| large entities should
| > > meet some "accreditation" standard, and we find the 
| criteria and standards
| > > recommended by the Assistance Group to be an attractive list."
| > >
| > > This "list" stipulates structured, self-sustaining 
| entities that engage in
| > > outreach and post current information about the 
| organization's aims,
| > > structure, constituents, working mechanisms, and current 
| leadership.
| > >
| > > 1.  Your aims are not posted
| >
| >To date I submitted TWO different versions of Mission 
| Statements for this
| >organization (both several months ago) which elicited next 
| to no comments, and
| >yet there is still no substantive work produced by the 
| 'power elite' among 
| >us on
| >this issue.  Shameful.  This and the webmaster issue noted 
| above are enough to
| >put off persons (such as myself) who are willing to contribute 
| >substantively...
| >
| > >
| > > 2.  You have no organizational structure
| >
| >Oh, but we do... dis-organization.
| >
| > >
| > > 3.  You are not self-sustaining
| >
| >If bombast and self-important bluster were the fuel of the 
| day, I'd say we're
| >self-perpetuating rather than self-sustaining.
| >
| > >
| > > 4.  You have no established working mechanisms or 
| procedures for the 
| > general
| > > membership
| >
| >Why bother, that would detract from the nominal importance 
| of our Panel
| >Members...  BTW, Danny, have you perhaps heard anything from 
| that champion 
| >of the
| >common netizens, Satyajit Gupta?  I wonder if the other 
| Panel Members 
| >approve of
| >his delinquency?  If not, then why are there no steps being taken to 
| >replace him?
| >
| > >
| > > 5.  You can't document any organizational outreach activities
| >
| >Well, you might have something there.  Perhaps Richard 
| Henderson can fill 
| >us in
| >on the progress towards the 100, 000 membership base he promised.
| >
| > >
| > >
| > > After you get your own house in order, then feel free to 
| question the
| > > relationship of ISOC chapters to ICANN -- they at least 
| meet the minimum
| > > criteria expected for an at-large structure.
| >
| >Except for the fact that they are now a Registry operator, 
| which puts them 
| >in the
| >gTLD constituency...
| >
| >Seriously Disappointed,
| >
| >Sotiris Sotiropoulos
| >
| >
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