Re: [atlarge-discuss] Further note from http://aggregator.does-not-exist.org/

["YJ Park" <yjpark@myepark.com>]

Hello Micheal,

Appreciation should be directed to Thomas Reossller who
wrote the notes.

Thank you for your attentions and regards,
YJ

> Hello YJ:
>
> Very astute notes.  Thank you.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Micheal Sherrill
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "YJ Park" <yjpark@myepark.com>
> Date:  Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:36:48 +0900
>
> FYI. From http://aggregator.does-not-exist.org/
>
> Meeting of the at-large folks: Brief overview by YJ Park on the
background:
> 2000 elections of five at-large directors, under the condition that more
> directors would be elected later; at-large study committee and their
> recommendations, Ghana decisions. Present situation: No guarantee on
whether
> or not there will be at-large directors in the new ICANN. Nominating
> Committee process with ALAC sending some of the committee members. Brief
> historical background on icannatlarge.org: Interim panel after the Ghana
> meeting, second election (11 panel members) in August.
>
> >From the board, Nii Quaynor and Andy Mueller-Maguhn attend. Andy on
ICANN:
> Board originally about a balance between users and providers. 9-to-9
> situation suggested in the original bylaws: 9 elected by at-large, 9
elected
> by SOs, and a CEO on the board. More background about the 2000 elections.
On
> his time as a director: People may have expected him to be fundamental
> opposition. However, best way is to be constructive, getting some
influence
> on the outcome of the process. Make sure they mention user interests.
> Intellectual Property got into the process very early; freedom of speech
and
> privacy are not in. Balance is missing. USG more affected by industry
> lobbies than by civil rights folks. Don't overestimate the board. Real
> power: CEO, staff, lawyers. Real discussions only in conspiracy evening
> dinner, not in public board sessions.
>
> Nii Quaynor: Comes from a community which can hardly be represented by the
> DNSO's more powerful constituencies. How to find participation mechanisms
> for them. Strong barriers - legal, fiscal, process and system, sometimes
you
> don't even get a visa. Geographic diversity is crucial, include staff. Is
> member of the ERC. Is more comfortable with small changes. Expected small
> tweaks, turned out to be big, fundamental changes. Hard to keep up for his
> community. Don't change too many variables at the same time.
>
> YJ: After years of effort, no outcome. In the beginning, 9 directors were
> supposed to be there. Now: ALAC, but no guarantee that there are "at-large
> directors" through Nominating Committee process. How to get directors who
> care?
>
> Esther on funding for ALAC: No guarantees in current reform proposals, but
> it's crucial. Andy: Funding unlikely. Discussions: Was at-large a good
idea?
> GAC claims to represent users since represent elected governments.
> Legitimacy question. At-large directors subject to strong questions on
their
> legitimacy. His idea: Get NGOs into the structure just like there is
> intellectual property etc. Strong organizations around issues, not so much
> diverse groups of individuals. Question to person from the NTIA who
> participates in the meeting: MoU is vague. Some comments about what USG
> thinks about legitimacy? NTIA: MoU is about getting user groups more
> involved. It's not a blanket. Ass. Secy Victory met with many groups over
> the course of the reform process to come to conclusion. NTIA can't fix
> ICANN's problems. Not involved in ICANN's corporate governance. ICANN has
> one year to fix itself. It's up to ICANN and its constituencies. Current
> bylaws are a step in the right direction. But lots of changes pending.
NTIA
> open to listening to many entities. Esther: Involved with that kind of
> negotiation in the past. Like ICANN could cut off Verisign's air supply
but
> never will, USG won't. USG can impose conditions on renewal. Right amount
of
> pressure needs to apply. DoC: MoU for one year. Specific provision on
tasks
> ICANN has to complete. Number of people looking at other options. Ass.
Secy.
> is very strict. New way of looking at ICANN. Different US administration
> like the one when the first MoU was signed. You guys have to get together.
> Everyone is complaining. Nii: Involvement by just one govt may be part of
> the problem. International organizations? No level playing field at
present.
> May be better to have network of networks instead of individual
> participation.
>
> Roger Cochetti: Clarify perspective. VSGN has had an interest in at-large
> elections. Why? For Verisign, issue has much to do with accountability.
> Benefit to elections is less democracy by itself than that openly elected
> directors are forced to openly explain what they did and why. Elections
are
> a powerful tool to enforce accountability. Some percentage of the board
> should be elected. Forces a lot of accountability. Have financially
> supported at-large efforts. Statement to ERC a few days ago indicated that
> one of the committee's mistakes was removal of elected board members in
> favor of closed-circuit nominating committee approach. Current approach
> reduces accountability of board members. ALAC doesn't do too much harm,
but
> irrelevant to VSGN's objective.
>
> (Notetaker absent for some minutes.)
>
> Issues: ALAC participation in policy-development. This must happen as
early
> as possible. Funding for the committee. Transition process.
>
> Role of governments; governance without governments? Esther:
Representation?
> Maybe rather get different perspectives.
>
> (The Notebook)
>
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