Re: [atlarge-discuss] Democracy and it's Borders

["Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>]

Jeff and Jefsey, and All,

I am ok with a chapter style DNS, as long as it is acceptable/amicable to
all groups

jk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Democracy and it's Borders


> James and all stakeholders or other interested parties and members,
>
> Jkhan wrote:
>
> >    Jeff:
> >
> > Thanks Jeff, I appreciate your commentaries in small doses ;-]
>
>   Your of course, very welcome.  >;)
>
> >
> >
> > >  I am not sure what you mean by "Sub Domains"?
> >
> > In this case Sub-Domains are used as a unique identifier. For example
> > the http://www.Navaho Nation.Arizona.Atlarge.com, here you have a
> > group identified as the Navaho. in the state of Arizona. and member of
> > the Atlarge.
>
>   Hummm?  Well I thought that "Members" are those that would be
> individuals,
> not a DN?  Would you really be meaning http://www.Navaho
> Nation.Arizona.Atlarge.com
> denotes a "Chapter" in which Navaho tribal members may join this chapter
>
> of their own for and Atlarge "Chapter" of ICANNATLARGE.ORG?
>
> >
> >
> > The variation is also true, http://Arizona.Navaho Nation.Atlarge.com
> > here the Arizona. members the Navaho Nation. of the Atlarge. are
> > identified.
>
>   Ah, ok.  This sounds a little bit more self explanatory.  However is
> this
> a "Chapter" or ICANNATLARGE.ORG or it supposed to be
>  it's own Atlarge organization?
>
> >
> >
> > The right to left classifier can be confusing.
>
>   That was my point in part that something like perhaps
> Navaho-atlarge.org
> or Navahoatlarge.org, or Navaho-atlarge.us or Navahoatlarge.us for an
> example of a ccTLD name space designation.  Even a more engaging
> example might be Basque-atlarge.es/basqueatlarge.es would more
> explicatory as to what I was trying to make the comparison along the
> lines
> of what Jefsey has suggested as potential "Chapters" or other
> independent
> Atlarge organizations and at the same time help distinctly the cultural
> differences
> within those countries in which such distinctions would be or could be
> appropriate.
>
> >
> >
> > Jeff, In my opinion (and I maybe wrong) the ccTDLs classification
> > system is limiting. Consider this:
>
>   Look again at some of my examples above and consider...
>
> >
> >
> > There are 961 unique Languages (fyi: Microsoft publishes 57 of these
> > in MUIs / Multilingual User Interface pacs) , I had last counted (see:
> > http://www.worldlanguage.com/Languages/  ) . There are also a great
> > number of Nations, for example consider the Nations of the American
> > Indians.
>
>   American indians are not nations per se except to the reservations of
> American indians to which they may pertain.  None the less each tribe
> can use the dotUS ccTLD for their atlarge presence or site designation,
> as well as the .ORG gTLD...
> More Examples would possibly be:
> Hopi-atlarge.us/Hopiatlarge.us - For ccTLD's presence if desired
> and Hopi-atlarge.org/Hopiatlarge.org - For gTLD presence if desired
> Navahoatlarge.us/Navaho-atlarge.us - For ccTLD's presence if desired
> Navahoatlarge.org/Navaho-atlarge.org For gTLD presence if desired
>
> >
> > People identify themselves by the language they speak and groups they
> > identify with. 'They' choose to put "Construction" upon this.
>
>   Hummm?  I didn't know that for instance the Bavarian Germans did
> this...???
> Nor the Cajun Americans...  ???  But your right is some instances such
> as
> the examples I provided above such as:
> Hopi-atlarge.us/Hopiatlarge.us - For ccTLD's Hopi American Indian Tribe
> and Hopi-atlarge.org/Hopiatlarge.org - For gTLD Hopi American Indian
> Tribe
> Navahoatlarge.us/Navaho-atlarge.us - For ccTLD's Navaho American Indian
> Tribe
> Navahoatlarge.org/Navaho-atlarge.org For gTLD Navaho American Indian
> Tribe
> Basque-atlarge.es/basqueatlarge.es For Basque-Spanish ccTLD
> Basque-atlarge.org/basqueatlarge.org - For Basque-Spanish gTLD
>
>   And it would seem that due to the shortness these examples would be
> more easily rememberable and shorter to type into your browser in
> the case a member does not have them bookmarked..
>
>
> >
> >
> > Countries are bound by their geographies, thus so are the ccTDLs.
> >
> > The possibilities are as Boundless; as one person / one voice. However
> > our goal* is to be united in the 'Recognition' of this, the respectful
> > opportunity of having recognition to the point of, one person one
> > voice. [* Utopian]
>
>   No one person one voice and vote!  ANd not hardly [*Utopian].  As
> and american that just recently exercised my right to VOTE on Nov. 3rd
> in which in Texas there were a number of referendum things to vote
> upon such as reduction of property tax, I hardly consider such a
> right and (duty IMHO) [*Utopian]!  >;)
>
>   That said again of course there are amongst our members some that
> would find such a concept, [*Utopian]...
>
> >
> >
> > >Do you mean 3rd level Domain names for this structure for chapters by
> > country or region?
> >
> > Yes & No, as I refer to my comments above, we must agree to find a
> > level which supports a 'Manageable' system, that is inclusive by
> > nature. I think 'Nation-States' are a good starting point.
>
>   Well maybe a starting point for discussion, yes.  But we need a
> definite
> preferred direction, else we wind up like the ISOC newzeland chapter...
>
> >
> >
> > Addendum:  I would also like to point out that there is a danger of
> > loosing many of our 'Linguistic species and Tribal Nations' if they
> > are not included, and overlooked.
>
>   Not to worry, I do allot of business with my fellow American Indian's
> in a number of their tribes...
>
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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>


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