Re: [atlarge-discuss] enough waiting for nothing

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joop and all,

  I got your message from webmaster@icannatlarge.com regarding the
Poll you are promoting.  Although this effort is admirable it is
misplaced and not a part or ICANNATLARGE.ORG.

  Indeed the present Panel have been less than productive sense their
inception, such efforts as you Joop are desiring and promoting
should originate from our official Web site ICANNATLARGE.ORG.

Joop Teernstra wrote:

> At 01:53 a.m. 4/02/2003, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> >On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:42:07 +1300, you wrote:
> >
> > >The month of January has ended with no action. No action is in sight.
> >
> >This is not true. There is a draft motion on the Panel to approve a
> >general membership vote. Feedback on the motion (notwithstanding my
> >solicitations) may have been low, but if you still believe in
> >democratical self-organizations, you should accept the fact that there
> >is an elected panel that has to approve things before they are done
> >(at least if they have to be done as an action of the organization
> >towards its members).
>
> Dear Vittorio,
>
> I understand that you see the members'  initiative as an usurpation of your
> authority as "Chair of the At Large", as you call yourself. I know that you
> have done your best, even if that was spurred by the knowledge that you
> have no monopoly on polling the members.
> But the problem is that the Panel is not delivering and the members are
> getting impatient.
> I could wait for another week, but ICANN's   ALAC marches on in the meantime.
>
> Frankly I do not see that the Panel could endorse all that the members have
> proposed that I do for them within one week.
> The Panel is now disintegrating and cannot deliver a  quorum any more.
> Democracy is best served by fresh elections at this point.
> Richard makes compelling points about the need to listen to the members NOW.
>
> > >Vittorio, if you wish to help me make sure that everybody gets the chance
> > >to vote, then please email me privately the email addresses of the
> > >latest  members that have signed up after I re-directed all signup to your
> > >database (20 or so?) , so that the Booth can send them their unique voter
> > >login too.
> > >
> > >I would like to ask for your endorsement of Bruce, Jefsey, Walter Schmidt
> > >and Jan Siren as watchers over the Polling process.
> >
> >It's not me who can endorse anyone (this is not a company and I am not
> >the CEO) - it's the panel.
>
> Actually my second paragraph here was addressed to all listmembers. Sorry
> for  causing a misunderstanding. I was calling on any member to endorse the
> action, not you or the remainder of the Panel.
>
> >I would suggest that you (and anyone else interested) review and
> >comment the draft motion:
> >
> >http://www.fitug.de/atlarge-panel/0301/msg00037.html
>
> I have seen it, but that proposal would yield only 6 questions, needs still
> more debate and has been two weeks on the table without decision.
>
> >so that I can put it to votes as soon as possible. Hopefully, enough
> >panelists will show up to approve it and then I'll be able to give you
> >the membership list and we'll run a proper vote. Otherwise, you'll
> >only bring confusion to our membership.
>
> I do not want to bring confusion, but icannatlarge  cannot proceed on hope
> alone.  There comes a point that the waiting is enough.
>
> I hold this Website  Supervisory Panel responsible for the emasculation of
> the original site, to which the members signed up, for the killing of the
> web -Forum on the official site, not even providing a link to the revived
> Forum  and for the deletion of the commitment to pass the database on to
> trusted members of the Internet community, such as the elected  At Large
> Directors.
> I am making clear that the referendum is unofficial and the Panel, when it
> becomes functional and produces a quorum, can either endorse or disavow the
> results and organize an "official" referendum.
>
> I will start the Poll today.
>
> -joop-
>
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