Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: [atlarge-panel] I PROPOSE OREGON, USA

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jefsey and all,

  All very good questions that need answers.  I believe I have already
posted the relevant links/URL's where you can find the answers to
most, but not all of your questions.  Perhaps Bruce can follow up
as well next week with further information.  However again the
links I provided in addition to Bruces, have contact information
with phone numbers and E-Mail addresses to the State or Oregon
personnel by which you should be able to obtain the information
and/or answers to your questions.  So Jefsey, you can start at
those points of contact, already provided.

  You are quite correct that we need to be realistic.  Cost, and
how we pay those costs is very relevant to being realistic.  This
is a point I have tried diligently to stress for some time on this
forum for this fledgling organization.  To put it again bluntly,
WE NEED FUNDING, AND A FUNDING MODEL
ASAP, if we are going to be realistic.  Again though I will
stress and repeat, that such funding/funds, are not all that
difficult to obtain if the members are willing to do a little
actual work, door knocking, ect..  Also as I have already
done a minimal amount of said Door knocking, and been
able to collect some funds earmarked for this fledgling
organization.

  Be advised Jefsey the Panel is now effectively defunct.  New elections
have been called for by former resigning Panelists, and members
through Joops poll and on this forum.  Hence we need to get that
process worked out and underway.

J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

> Seems very interesting.
> Questions:
> 1. how many corporate officers when creating are bound to sign
> 2. is this signature registration necessary each time an officer joins/BoD
> change?
> 3. what are the yearly costs?
> 4. what is the yearly paperwork involved in order to keep the organization
> in proper order
>
> We have to be realistic. Organization management is going to fall on the
> shoulders of someone. So better to keep it the simplest possible and easy
> to understand for a new commer (it is likeley that this will be often a new
> person). Ideally all the paperwork should be prepared on-line with a
> reminder (some single page with links the Secretary can click and fill).
> There will also be the problem of the banking account. It will probably be
> empty, so what is in the USA the cost of an empty banking account?
>
> If I compare this with France. Not to support France (the work would be on
> me) but to permit to compare and discuss Oregon's advantages (I would favor
> Oregon for icannatlarge.org as france@large and atlarge/ws is/will be French).
>
> 1. to set-up $35, takes one month and a half to be published in the
> "Journal Officiel", the Gov ad-hoc publication. If there is no real
> benefit, there is no more paperwork. I can create it with two local
> signatures only. BoD modifications are free. The articles are tobe in
> French, but can be very standard and basic. The bylaws are in whatever
> language(s) we want. Disputes are in front of the BoD. Directors and
> Memebrs can be of any nationality.
>
> 2. to set-up an account, there is only the need to present a photocopy of
> the "Journal Officiel" and may be $100 of deposit on the account, that can
> be withdrawn immediately. Empty account costs nothing. It can be set-up at
> the Post Office Bank and benefit from some advantages for International
> transfer and money deposit (anyone can make a deposit in any Post Office
> worldwide).
>
> 3. Yearly report may be 1 page by the Chair and an account report by the
> Treasrer. Can be automated. Can be filled with the Administration, but no
> one will ever ask anything as liong as there is no benefit.
>
> 4. There are two case as far as courts could be considered. Ill management
> of the organization. As we are an international organization there would
> always be a need for translation, but it is to be noted that the extreme
> compactness of the law, its stability, the low financial involvement and
> the huge number of associations inf Fance under that law, makes such cases
> very very seldom. It is also to be noted that there are many more chances
> than the Chair (who is the only one who can really be sued, except if the
> BoD acts as a gang) is not French than he is not American or subject to US
> law (more internationally oriented). The other case is when the
> organization is sued as such, like in an UDRP. There is no difference being
> French or being American, but I feel it may be better than Tongan (except
> if a deliberate Tongan strategy is to support Internet non-profits).
>
> jfc
>
> At 08:33 23/02/03, bruce@barelyadequate.info wrote:
>
> >I propose we incorporate in the State of Oregon, USA.
> >
> >For the benefit of those outside the US who are unaware, there is no such
> >thing as "incorporating in the USA."  This really is the United *STATES* of
> >America: each state is essentially a sovereign country in its own right,
> >with their own laws!  So incorporating in the US means doing so in one of
> >the 50 states. And of the 50 US states, Oregon actually has some of the
> >simplest and cheapest laws governing nonprofits.
> >
> >Incorporating costs only $20 and a simple form ($30 if you want a notarized
> >copy for your records!), and all the regulations and forms are online!
> >Custom-made for an Internet nonprofit!  :)
> >
> >I'm willing to donate the time and money to get this done on behalf of the
> >organization.  The only challenge may be the signatures, but we will have
> >that challenge wherever we incorporate, seeing that our "corporate officers"
> >are spread out all over the world!  I'll pay to FedEx the forms to the next
> >person signing, and we can "round robin" the form from panel member to panel
> >member until its signed!  The last signer can return it to me and I'll take
> >a vacation day from work and go downtown and file them with the state.
> >
> >For those interested in this idea, you can find the following information
> >online:
> >
> >Nonprofit incorporation information at
> >http://www.filinginoregon.com/bic/nonprofit.htm
> >
> >Oregon nonprofits law at http://www.doj.state.or.us/ChariGroup/Howtolaw.htm
> >
> >Forms & Fees required at http://www.filinginoregon.com/forms/index.htm
> >
> >
> >Bruce Young
> >Portland, Oregon USA
> >bruce@barelyadequate.info
> >http://www.barelyadequate.info
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