Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel Mandate options

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Judyth and all,

  I am in agreement with Judyth's comments/remarks below.  I am
also puzzled that Judyth on the one hand supports publicly
CENSORSHIP, yet on the other says that members are members
and have a right to vote and that we have a duty to notify the members
of upcoming votes/polls.  To me these two positions are juxtaposed,
and therefore inconsistent.  As such, I again state clearly and without
reservation that I do not support Judyth as a watchdog for any
election unless or until a recant of the CENSORSHIP position
from Judyth is made publicaly.

  I humbely and kindly await such a  recant...

espresso@e-scape.net wrote:

> At 16:44 +1300 2003/02/28, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> >...
> >However the members list is not the exact voters' list. There are up
> >to 25
> >addresses that bounce, so these people cannot be considered "voters".
> >There
> >is also the matter of the 169 "no messages please" members, who I will
> >include only after they opt-in. They have 3 days to do this and one
> >day has
> >passed. So far 16 have opted in.
> >
> >This process will result in a final voters' list (for this Poll!)
> >that I
> >will send to the watchers.
> >
> >You have expressed reservations about such an opt-in and if Jan wants
> >me to
> >use the full list too, this would put me under pressure to do as you
> >wish.
> >Shared responsibility.  Walt is O.K. with the opt-in.
> >
> >But I must say that such a decision goes a  beyond mere watching.
>
> This puzzles me a bit.
>
> For one thing, within any group or organization I've ever
> dealt with, members are members and they have the *right* to vote.
>
> Telling them when and where they can exercise that right isn't spam
> --it's the *duty* of the organization to tell them. Of course,
> a member can choose not to exercise the right, but it's not for
> us to say that because they chose not to get a mailing list or
> announcements of meetings of other organizations taking place in
> other countries, they should be disenfranchised.
>
> "Bounces" are a different matter. An organization can only
> use the contact information it was given by the member. It
> can't do anything about the members whose mailboxes are
> full or changed ISPs without notifying it. Bylaws, like laws,
> usually contain something to the effect that notices sent
> to the last address provided by the person will be
> considered to have been delivered. All we can really do
> about making sure people tell us about address changes is
> to make sure there's a reminder on the Web site and maybe
> a form for the purpose.
>
> For another, I don't really understand why it puts pressure
> on you or goes beyond a scrutineer's role to suggest that
> all members should be sent a notice, while your personal
> decision to send an opt-in message to the 169 on behalf
> of the group (which wasn't asked to approve this decision)
> should be seen as more legitimate or impartial.
>
> I don't know whether you want me to be a watcher or not.
> Thus far, only Jeff has formally objected to my serving as
> one; Richard, Vittorio and Bruce seem to want me to. I
> rather hope others will come out and say what they want as
> soon as possible so I can know where I stand on this task.
>
> Regards,
>
> Judyth
>
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Regards,

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