[atlarge-discuss] Re: Blame the right people (Re: [ncdnhc-discuss] PIR Advisory Council Adcom vote)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Erick and all,

  Are you saying below that you view yourself as some sort of lord?
Surely you jest, Erick?  At least I hope you do...

Erick Iriarte Ahon wrote:

> Ja ja ja Marc
>
> do yo have a good joke...
>
> >Suppose I replied to this by pointing out that the present way of dealing
> >with the topic of the appointment of YJ, which is led by Latin Americans,
> >reminds me of fascists methods? And that this doesn't surprise me much
> >given the tradition of many Latin America countries in dealing with
> >political opponents? Suppose I did this (so I don't, remember that), how
> >would you react?
>
> What the next?? well... we can see:
>
> 1. we are "Frequently non-English speaking activists do not follow the
> technicalities of rules expressed in English on our web site." )
>
> 2. we are "And that this doesn't surprise me much given the tradition of
> many Latin America countries in dealing with political opponents?"
>
> 3. adcom need lawyers?
>
> What your problem, if you see. not only people from LAC have "a lot of
> questions" in this process... the problem it's not YJ (don't confuse
> (please) the situations).?
>
> I don't need this, the constituency don't need this.. we need to discuss
> (like a lords, not like a "trolls"), but you don't discuss ideas you put
> the personal first...
>
> i leaved from my country a few years ago (then return), when Fujimori was
> the president, because i fight for the democracy (like student leader) in
> my country. where is your battle?, where are your medals? do you know LAC?
>
> If you don't have any good to say don't say nothing about LAC, never i said
> nothing from your country or region or you (like a person), i fight against
> your ideas. Win in this level, don't use the insults.
>
> Erick
>
> PD: y si mi ingles no te gusta, por ser arcaico, y ser primitivo, y no se
> entienda, te lo escribo en espaņol!!
>
> At 10:05 p.m. 21/03/2003 +0100, Marc Schneiders wrote:
> >On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, at 12:17 [=GMT-0800], Vany Martinez wrote:
> >
> > > Milton:
> > > Please, don't be silly.
> >
> >Do you read this list carefully? Someone suggested here recently, that it
> >was not proper to call people silly on this list.
> >
> > > First of all, even if the
> > > AdCom can make appointments, the ADCOM has the DUTY to
> > > ask to the NCUC MEMBERS for NOMINEES, before suggest
> > > names to the members!!   Is this your idea of
> > > democracy where you are the only one that can make
> > > nominations
> >
> >For the record: Milton did not suggest YJPark. I did. In fact the call for
> >a nominee from PIR was already there before Milton was even nominated for
> >the new Adcom. So if you want to attack someone, pick me for a change. The
> >decision was taken by the whole Adcom. Milton had no leading role in this
> >whatsoever.
> >
> > > and any other nominations received from
> > > someone different to you is blocked by you?  Who you
> > > are trying to fool?.
> >
> >I am not sure who is fooling who. Do you really mean that you have not
> >understood the repeated explanations about this process? Please, read the
> >archives for the last two weeks if this is the case. It is really boring
> >for many subscribers to this list, if they have to read the same story
> >explained for the 4th or 5th time. I hate to be a bore.
> >
> > > In fact, is the right of the members of the NCUC
> > > (whether voting or non-voting) to make nominations and
> > > then the ADCOM discuss about the Nominees, but the
> > > AdCom doesn't has the right to appoint someone before
> > > consulting the constituency for nominees.
> >
> >Really? Where does it say that? In our new charter perhaps?
> >
> > > Everytime is created a Task Force, Comittee, etc,
> > > where it is needed to appoint someone from the NCDNHC
> > > and which not need to be members of the Names Council,
> > > the members are surely waiting the official call of
> > > the AdCom for request of nominees.  The 90% of the
> > > time, this formal process never happens.
> >
> >See the archive of the last few weeks. Explanations are in there why the
> >Adcom decided against an election process. Why did nobody protest when I
> >was appointed to the ICANN NomCom, a position which has more impact in our
> >context than a seat on the large _Advisory_ Council of the ORG registry?
> >Because everyone was sleeping? Or because there was nobody who organized a
> >bombing campaign on this list?
> >
> > > You come from a democratic country, perhaps a country
> > > that always has made war in order other countries
> > > becomes democratic and transparency prevails.  At
> > > least has a little bit of conscience from where you
> > > come from, and honor it.
> >
> >Suppose I replied to this by pointing out that the present way of dealing
> >with the topic of the appointment of YJ, which is led by Latin Americans,
> >reminds me of fascists methods? And that this doesn't surprise me much
> >given the tradition of many Latin America countries in dealing with
> >political opponents? Suppose I did this (so I don't, remember that), how
> >would you react?
> >
> >Can we please keep it cool here?
> >
> >
> >
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