A "pre-S." - I've just received Jefsey's message asking that the
one I've commented on be disregarded. However, he then restates
pretty much the same comments. Therefore, I have not rewritten
my reply below since it still applies to the revised version.
I must also dispute Jeff Williams' contention that the Panel is
defunct. We do have some Panel-members who have a) not resigned,
and b) not been removed by the membership. Their legitimacy
to make wider decisions has been questioned but I don't think
any of us here believe elections will hold themselves
spontaneously, which means we do need that Panel to organize
the process.
In the meantime, I have also received Abel Wisman's message
offering what seems like a quite sensible mechanism for the
group's elections, and I share his desire that our remaining
Panel give it consideration as soon as possible. It is, of
course, up to the group to decide who should conduct the
elections in what manner, but the Panel could certainly
expedite such a decision by spelling out how it believes
this can best be done.
Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>> If Judyth/Jan gives back the list to them, the remaining Panelists
>>will
>> be able to carry a duty, delaying maneuvers prevented them from
>> carrying for so many weeks. They have been elected for it, they have
>> voted it, they want to do it (and to retire :-)
>>
>> The Panel will proceed with dispatch
>> - to form an election Committee with Jan and Judyth, and three other
>> called watchdogs, provided they are no candidate,
>> - to get nominations
>> - to have the election we all wait for in using a solution everyone
>>can
>> check and trust.
>> - to entrust the Member's list to their incorporated secretariat, or
>>to
>> each of the Panelists (the new Panel will vote on this), so the
>> current list hi-jacking by non-elected people can never happen
>>again.
Dear all,
I'm afraid this requires yet another response from me. I
object strongly to the aspersions cast on the characters of
Jan Siren and myself. The "current list hi-jacking by non-elected
people" consists of our having received information we did not
ask for --as Jefsey knows and has admitted previously-- and our
refusal to give it to him without some sign that somebody
besides himself wants us to.
As I've explained before, I have not so much as opened the lists
myself: I am just holding them so they can be used in the elections.
At this point, I would hesitate to play any part in organizing
or attempting to scrutineer in those elections. In fact, given
how Jefsey evidently feels about me, nothing useful is likely
to be achieved by my serving on any committee he is part of.
>> If Judyth/Jan do not copy the list to us, I will wait for Bruce's
>> return by the end of the week, as he asked me, for us to take a
>>joint
>> decision (with the other Panelists who would have joined; we may
>>also
>> call on those who resigned for advice). Whatever that decision,
>> everyone will then know it will not be out any "unilateralism" or
>> "personal agenda" by any of us, but due to the sole decision of non
>> elected persons.
Since this is exactly what I have been asking Jefsey to do
for two weeks, I can only applaud his decision to stop the
bullying and act as a responsible Panel member.
>> In the meanwhile, as a personal position, I want to show my
>> "unilaterism", in calling again every of you to respond Joop's poll.
>> Please understand this is not an icannatlarge.org vote/poll, BUT it
>> may be the last way for us to partly continue this effort. So, even
>>if
>> you do not support Joop's options and do not want to join/support
>>his
>> party, PLEASE use his straw poll to show we want to survive
>>Vittorio's
>> trap.
I agree that the current poll is, at the moment, the best way of
making your feelings known. I add my own plea that you make use
of the feature which allows the posting of comments, as well as
the submission of votes on each question.
>> I also want to take advantage of this public mail, to call on Joop
>> again, for him not to endanger this weak group, using that imposed
>> delays to spoil his own image, an image we all need (I know I will
>> upset some, but we need to unite, not to fight each others).
I agree completely that we all need to work together for this
group to mature into an organization. I'm not quite sure what
Jefsey has in mind with regard to Joop's "image" but, in my
opinion, it matters far more what the group chooses to be and
do than what any individual might try to do in its name.
>> ... I commit
>> that before retiring, I will propose the new elected Panel to chose
>>a
>> Spokesman, so we may quickly word our positions under the control of
>> the Panel, and then of the Membership. And from experience dating
>>from
>> years, I will nominate Joop (should he commits to be as democrat as
>>he
>> tells us to be :-).
Here, too, I hesitate over "so we may quickly word our positions
under the control of the Panel, and then of the Membership" since,
unless it will be decided otherwise by the group, the new Interim
Panel will not automatically have the authority to formulate
opinions for the membership without their active participation.
I also very much doubt it is wise for a group like ours to
let its Panel designate one person as Spokesman for all issues
and all circumstances, especially without a mandate from the
membership and in the absence of any agreement as to what this
group wants to say to whom. It is no discredit to Joop to
admit that at this point he speaks primarily for himself, as
do all of us.
>> Then I will propose that we support and give a chance to Danny's
>> project for SMEs, DPF for sole DN Managers, YJ Park's effort for the
>> WSIS, Abel's propositions for an atlarge DNS and mine for dot-root.
>>
>> All those God knows why strangled things which are ready to develop.
This puzzles me very much. Members of this group can and do
participate in other organizations and activities as they see
fit. Any "strangulation" of such things surely isn't the
fault of this group, and can only be remedied by the people
who are involved in those efforts. As for what support this
group can bring collectively to other efforts... well, let's
try to get our own work underway and see what we can do.
Regards,
Judyth
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Montreal, QC <espresso@e-scape.net>
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