Re: [atlarge-discuss] Panel, elections and over-delaying maneuvers 2

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

I just scoured the posts and available websites and find no authority 
anywhere for voting to dissolve the panel.  Clearly if this was done 
properly (good proceess) then there would be a desolvement. As to date there 
is not a dissolution of the Panel.
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> Eric and all fellow members,
> 
>   The members voted to dissolve the Panel and called for new elections.
> Ergo, there is no Panel presently.
> 
>   What is needed is an election.  Jan and Judyth have the necessary
> members list by which that election can be conducted.  All than that is
> necessary for such an election to be conducted is a non-interested
> third party to conduct the election, and a secure means or method
> to conduct the election.
> 
> Eric Dierker wrote:
> 
>> Who is on the panel?
>>
>> To my understanding there were enough of us "also rans" to fill all of
>> the posts left vacant by resignations.
>>
>> Now why is this not being done?  Me thinks those of us lower on the
>> list are outsiders and dotcommoners, and those in position have others
>> that they want to fill those positions so they call for more
>> elections.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> > Assuming common sense one day will win, and Jan and Judyth will give
>> > the list to Bruce and Jefsey and perhaps even Eric, I have asked
>> > some members of my team to go ahead and plan to write a perl script
>> > for anonymized elections.
>> >
>> > Criteria for that script:
>> >
>> > Mail send including randomized number
>> > Number to be stored
>> > Reply to be checked against number, single entry.
>> > Count votes
>> > Make totals after set time limit.
>> >
>> > I am sure there are some more ingredients that will come up, or
>> > perhaps someone wishes to bring them in now.
>> > Estimated time to first test run = 1 week, script should be ready
>> > for approval within 2 weeks max.
>> >
>> > I am prepared to give 5 people access to the script, sendmail etc to
>> > make sure that no capture software runs, anonymizing is done
>> > pursuant to target, checks are sufficient to make sure there is no
>> > fraudulent emails, etc.
>> >
>> > I repeat that I will reserve the right to not give root access to
>> > everyone, for very clear and simple reasons.
>> >
>> > One watchdog will have root during the entire process to make sure
>> > that nothing will be changed on any part of the mechanism, either in
>> > the script, client-handling, or sendmail.
>> >
>> > A singular user will be setup to send and receive the mail, they
>> > will then be copied to the watchdogs, who again only have a list of
>> > generated numbers and no names, but who can check those numbers
>> > against the
>> > received answers.
>> >
>> > Input remains welcome till script is finished.
>> >
>> > I propose that in the meanwhile we use the "old" rules for the vote,
>> > and that people start proposing candidates.
>> >
>> > I also propose to give the thus chosen panel a 3 or 6 month mandate
>> > to:
>> >
>> > A. prepare for incorporation
>> > B. prepare articles
>> > C. prepare workgroups
>> > D. prepare next elections.
>> >
>> > During the vote for the next panel, articles and such can be voted
>> > upon in one go.
>> >
>> > I kindly as Bruce and Jefsey and Eric to start all this.
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Abel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr] Sent:
>> >> 23 March 2003 16:19
>> >> To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
>> >> Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Panel, elections and over-delaying
>> >> maneuvers 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please disregard previous post. I send it again, having left
>> >> attached some
>> >> drafting
>> >> ---------
>> >>
>> >> for weeks, Vittorio and Judyth try to build an image of mine
>> >> as being in a
>> >> "competition" with Joop for controlling this group and carrying an
>> >> "unilateral" effort to that end. Vittorio's tactics and
>> >> reasons are now
>> >> well understood.
>> >>
>> >> This has been used to impeach the Panelists from carrying the
>> >> election as
>> >> they voted it, to incorporate a "safe" structure to own the
>> >> list and the
>> >> site password, to have positions voted and a Spokesman
>> >> elected to represent
>> >> us in Rio. This imposed lack of action has been used to
>> >> pretend the Panel
>> >> was dead, sterilizing the whole icannatalrge.org. The only chance
>> >> of survival for this group being legitimacy of Joop by
>> >> necessity, this alleged
>> >> competition lead Joop to tactics reducing our chances, to the
>> >> ALAC's benefit.
>> >>
>> >> After committing to permit me to organize the election we
>> >> voted, Vittorio
>> >> used this tale to escape without giving the Panel the Members list
>> >> nor the
>> >> password. Now, Judyth uses it to refuse to give back to the
>> >> Panel the list
>> >> Vittorio copied to her (I thank Jan to have refused that story).
>> >>
>> >> Feeling both personally hurt and the whole group damaged by
>> >> Judyth's accusations, I asked her to apologize. Her response is the
>> >> same lecturing
>> >> about my alleged ambitions (I am the only one having
>> >> committed not to be a
>> >> candidate! :-) and her surrealist repeated demand that both
>> >> Bruce and me
>> >> ask her the list as Panelists, ... what we keep asking her for
>> >> weeks.
>> >>
>> >> So, here I publicly ask Judyth and Jan, to send a copy of the
>> >> Members list
>> >> and of the site password to every Panelist (Eric and Sotiris
>> >> and other ones
>> >> on the Panelist elect list please to rise hand if you want to join,
>> >> as it
>> >> is your and our common right. Bruce asked you to do so, as
>> >> soon as we could
>> >> once Vittorio evnetually officially resigned).
>> >>
>> >> If Judyth/Jan gives back the list to them, the remaining
>> >> Panelists will be
>> >> able to carry a duty, delaying maneuvers prevented them from
>> >> carrying for
>> >> so many weeks. They have been elected for it, they have voted it,
>> >> they want
>> >> to do it (and to retire :-)
>> >>
>> >> The Panel will proceed with dispatch
>> >> - to form an election Committee with Jan and Judyth, and
>> >> three other called
>> >> watchdogs, provided they are no candidate,
>> >> - to get nominations
>> >> - to have the election we all wait for in using a solution
>> >> everyone can
>> >> check and trust.
>> >> - to entrust the Member's list to their incorporated
>> >> secretariat, or to
>> >> each of the Panelists (the new Panel will vote on this), so
>> >> the current
>> >> list hi-jacking by non-elected people can never happen again.
>> >>
>> >> If Judyth/Jan do not copy the list to us, I will wait for
>> >> Bruce's return by
>> >> the end of the week, as he asked me, for us to take a joint
>> >> decision (with
>> >> the other Panelists who would have joined; we may also call
>> >> on those who
>> >> resigned for advice). Whatever that decision, everyone will
>> >> then know it
>> >> will not be out any "unilateralism" or "personal agenda" by
>> >> any of us, but
>> >> due to the sole decision of non elected persons.
>> >>
>> >> In the meanwhile, as a personal position, I want to show my
>> >> "unilaterism",
>> >> in calling again every of you to respond Joop's poll. Please
>> >> understand
>> >> this is not an icannatlarge.org vote/poll, BUT it may be the
>> >> last way for
>> >> us to partly continue this effort. So, even if you do not
>> >> support Joop's
>> >> options and do not want to join/support his party, PLEASE use his
>> >> straw
>> >> poll to show we want to survive Vittorio's trap.
>> >>
>> >> I also want to take advantage of this public mail, to call on Joop
>> >> again,
>> >> for him not to endanger this weak group, using that imposed
>> >> delays to spoil
>> >> his own image, an image we all need (I know I will upset
>> >> some, but we need
>> >> to unite, not to fight each others). I commit that before
>> >> retiring, I will
>> >> propose the new elected Panel to chose a Spokesman, so we may
>> >> quickly word
>> >> our positions under the control of the Panel, and then of the
>> >> Membership.
>> >> And from experience dating from years, I will nominate Joop
>> >> (should he
>> >> commits to be as democrat as he tells us to be :-).
>> >>
>> >> Then I will propose that we support and give a chance to
>> >> Danny's project
>> >> for SMEs, DPF for sole DN Managers, YJ Park's effort for the
>> >> WSIS, Abel's
>> >> propositions for an atlarge DNS and mine for dot-root.
>> >>
>> >> All those God knows why strangled things which are ready to
>> >> develop. jfc
>> >>
>> >>
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