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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Questions for all candidates - Follow-up
Ivonne and all fellow members,
This is a follow up to my first response (See below)
Jeff Williams wrote:
> Ivonne and all fellow members,
>
> Ivonne Valeria Muñoz Torres wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff:
> >
> > Please, READ all this URL´s:
> >
> > If you want to know the kind and quality of the school where I teach, please
> > look at:
> >
> > - www.itesm.mx
> > - http://dri.sistema.itesm.mx/dial/proyectos/sim/
There is NO reference what so ever that I or any of my staff
can find attributed you you Ivonne in this URL you provided.
There is no statement of "Ethics" or guideline of ethical
conduct enumerated in this URL either. There is also no
english translation or version of this URL as well. As English
in the excepted international language and the predominant
language of this forum, such a reference would seem less than
adequately ethical to provide as a reference unless an english
version or translation is available.
>
> >
> > And if you want to know a forum where I teach in collaboration with the UNAM
> > (I hope you know what UNAM is), you can see:
>
> Yes I am very familiar with UNAM. I believe that Alejandro
> hails from there and INEGroup has several members associated
> with UNAM as well. So I will later this evening follow up with
> some of them as time allows to get a better picture and open
> a file for you in my database.
>
> >
> >
> > Seguridad en Cómputo
> > L3. Análisis Forense e Implicaciones Legales. Instructores. ...
> > http://www.seguridad2003.unam.mx/seguridad2003/index.php?liga=L3inst
Yes this URL you provided lists you as one of the instructors.
However again no ethics statement is provided that I or any
of my staff could locate at this URL reference or links from it.
Hence again it would seem less than adequately ethical conduct
to provide such a reference without an English translation as the
above referenced URL in that the predominance of the members
here are only english speakers and the recognized international
language is english.
>
> >
> > And for my Curriculum, just hosted in an ITESM server, you can read:
> >
> > www.cem.itesm.mx/derecho/imunoz.htm
> >
> > And a publication made it by ITESM and published in their own web:
> >
> > Boletin Ejecutivo del Tecnológico de Monterrey
> > http://actualizacion.itesm.mx/web_boletin/info_tele3.html
> >
> > it´s enough... or you want more?
>
> The more the better of course. However I shall put my staff on reviewing
> this information ASAP, as well as doing a brief review myself
> and get back with you and everyone as soon as I can.
And Yes much more seems to be needed that is in english or an
english version is available.
>
>
> However I must say that none of the URL's you provided answers
> the central concern regarding ethics and this sham of an election
> to which you are a willing participant thus far.
>
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Ivonne Valeria Muñoz Torres
> > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "Ivonne Muñoz Torres -" <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>
> > Cc: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> > <"micheal@beethoven.com"@data.ysi.net>; <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Re: Questions for all candidates
> >
> > > Ivonne and all fellow members,
> > >
> > > What university or law school do you teach at? Is there a reference
> > > as to your teaching experience of "Cyber-law"? The ABA does not
> > > have a listing for you is why I ask. Yet many non-US legal folks in
> > > certain legal disciplines are listed.
> > > Other references:
> > > http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-lat-0112/msg00006.html
> > >
> > > As to your brief comment on ethics. It would seem that any person
> > > knowing taking part in a fraud or a supposed "Election" would have a
> > > very low threshold of ethics. How than do you rectify that with
> > > your comment/remark on ethics? What precisely and in detail, are
> > > your particular set of ethics.
> > >
> > > Ivonne Muñoz Torres - wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Joop:
> > > >
> > > > Sure, ...
> > > >
> > > > I want to remind something, as a teacher of ciber-law I have one
> > important
> > > > and basic thing in my classes: the ethics
> > > >
> > > > Ethics as a way of life, as a personal compromise with the community and
> > > > myself.
> > > >
> > > > I want to seed the real interest to lead us as a community (good
> > community),
> > > > diminishing a lot of bad things (since my point of view), taking
> > actions
> > > > as:
> > > >
> > > > - constructing a common interpretation of the atlarge community
> > > > - establishing common goals and general goals
> > > > - finding the b-sides of the community with the intention of finish them
> > > > - take the autoregulation as a way of respect for the other opinions
> > > > - listening the needs of all the topics relationed with the atlarge
> > > > interests
> > > > - forgetting the concept of "elite groups"
> > > > - taking part of this evolving
> > > >
> > > > This is the way....
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > ::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..
> > ::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..
> > > > Ivonne Valeria Muñoz Torres, LED
> > > > Móvil: 044 55 5438.6642
> > > > ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net
> > > >
> > :..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..:
> > :..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..::..
> > > >
> > > > --------- Mensagem Original --------
> > > > De: "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> > > > Para: ""Ivonne Muñoz Torres - "" <ivonnemunoz@arachnis.net>,
> > > > "micheal@beethoven.com" <micheal@beethoven.com>
> > > > Copia: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > > > Asunto: Questions for all candidates
> > > > Fecha: 24/05/03 02:28
> > > >
> > > > At 07:29 p.m. 24/05/2003, Ivonne Muñoz Torres - wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In that philosophy, I think the Internet has a social function too, in
> > that
> > > > >way, I want to construct a better place for the users... and for the
> > future
> > > > >users...
> > > >
> > > > Ivonne,
> > > >
> > > > This sounds very good.
> > > > Can you tell us your personal view on how such a better place looks
> > like?
> > > >
> > > > No spam? No scams? No monopolies? No child abuse. No terrorist websites?
> > > > Or no restraint, no Fascism, no racism, no blacklisting, no hatelists,
> > no
> > > > ostracism?
> > > >
> > > > Dictatorship of the majority?
> > > > Or of the elite?
> > > >
> > > > How do you like to construct the icannatlarge?
> > > >
> > > > -joop-
> > > >
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> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> > > Pierre Abelard
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> > >
> > >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
> Pierre Abelard
> ================================================================
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 131k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
Pierre Abelard
================================================================
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Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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