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Re: [atlarge-discuss] Identity, Authentication & Digital Certificates
James and all fellow members,
Exactly right. It again seems that we have some ignorance here
that Able seems to be one of the authors of. In any event as
one of the original developers on the IETF IPv6 working group,
I think it would be unwise at this time to try to do a good
IPv6 implementation as it has several Privacy problems even
given the scenerio for implimentaion that James provides below.
Jkhan wrote:
> IPv6 alone just provides the embedded protocol to identify specially what
> and where. You need to couple that technology with Database system
> synchronized to Identify users, such as Liberty 2.0
> Together the system provides ID authentification.
>
> > I could circumvent such a system and pose as 3
> > different people just by moving my chair a few feet...
>
> Yes... You could do this, however are you willing to spend the time to
> produce 1000,... 500,... 216... Identities in order to sway an election? or
> advocate an opinion? Chances are you would not. Most everything can be
> foiled, it is a matter of making it difficult to do, that provides a level
> of decent security appropriate for Democracy to exist.
>
> Joanne, hit the nail on the head. Once we get this matter behind us (the
> Authentification issue), we can proceed in a Democratic manner and move this
> organization ahead.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sotiris Sotiropoulos" <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>
> To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> Cc: <atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de>; <bruce@barelyadequate.info>;
> <abel@able-towers.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [atlarge-discuss] Identity, Authentication & Digital
> Certificates
>
> > The use of the IPv6 identification process you propose is still fraught
> > with difficulties for verification purposes. Example: I have three
> > computers here in my office, each with a different make of network card.
> > If I were so inclined, I could circumvent such a system and pose as 3
> > different people just by moving my chair a few feet...
> >
> > Amiably,
> >
> > --Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> > Jkhan wrote:
> >
> > >Bruce and Able,
> > >
> > >My post below introduces the idea of an IPv6 Identification process of
> > >Icannatlarge. You are both in a position to know better,
> > >what systems/conditions we are currently running under.
> > >Most likely a IPv4 Hosting system.
> > >
> > >This is a time we should embrace technology.
> > >What better proving ground than with us, ground zero.
> > >The change to IPv6 is seamless, it is just an IP address change to a
> > >suitable provider. I think we will be able to provide more '
> > >goods & services' to our members and 'secure identification',
> > >if IPv6 lives up to its promise.
> > >
> > >There has not been any objections to this suggestion from the Mail-List,
> > >so far as I can tell so far. In keeping this discussion transparent,
> > >anyone who has an objection to us proceeding is free to voice their
> opinion.
> > >That being so, we should proceed to investigate and implement the changes
> > >for the good of the organization.
> > >
> > >
> > >James Khan
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> > >To: "Jkhan" <Jkhan@MetroMgr.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:20 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] Identity, Authentication & Digital
> > >Certificates
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>What I am suggesting here is that the Icannatlarge hosting be mounted on
> > >>an IPv6 ' Tunnel ' and an Identity Authentication system such as
> > >>Liberty Alliance be utilized to authenticate Members': Votes, Post and
> > >>Sponsorship of this organization.
> > >>
> > >>Liberty Alliance "welcomes any commercial or non-commercial
> > >>organization to join as members" [www.projectliberty.org -see:
> Membership]
> > >>
> > >>Simple.
> > >>
> > >>Re:
> > >>Subject: [atlarge-discuss] Identity, Authentication & Digital
> Certificates
> > >>
> > >> Since we are discussing: Identity, Authentication & Digital
> Certificates'
> > >>
> > >> I would like us to review an old article by Bill Frezza (October 4,
> 1999)
> > >> [ http://www.internetwk.com/columns/frezz100499.htm ]
> > >> Since " They " already know who we are, why shouldn't we get to know
> > >> each-other in the same way? In other words; If you can't beat them,
> then
> > >> join them. We can program our own site to operate with these systems.
> > >>
> > >> See: The Liberty Alliance [ http://www.projectliberty.org ]
> > >>
> > >> See: EU Releases Guidelines on Online Authentication - The European
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Union
> > >
> > >
> > >> Working Party on Data Protection has issued new privacy guidance for
> the
> > >> use and implementation of online authentication systems.
> > >> The guidance takes a specific look at some existing technologies, such
> > >>
> > >>
> > >as
> > >
> > >
> > >> Microsoft's Passport system, and standards, such as the Liberty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Alliance.
> > >
> > >
> > >> February 5, 2003
> > >> [ http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/privacy/index_en.htm ]
> > >>
> > >> The Article 29 Working Party guidance on on-line authentication
> systems
> > >> http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/privacy/guide_en.htm
> > >> [pdf]
> > >>
> > >> Press release by the Article 29 working party
> > >> http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/privacy/workingroup_en.htm
> > >> [pdf]
> > >>
> > >> References: http://www.cdt.org/digsig/
> > >>--
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > -----------
> >
> > "The science of jurisprudence regards the state and power as the
> > ancients regarded fire- namely, as something existing absolutely.
> > But for history, the state and power are merely phenomena, just as for
> > modern physics fire is not an element but a phenomenon.
> >
> > From this fundamental difference between the view held by history
> > and that held by jurisprudence, it follows that jurisprudence can tell
> > minutely how in its opinion power should be constituted and what
> > power- existing immutably outside time- is, but to history's questions
> > about the meaning of the mutations of power in time it can answer
> > nothing."
> > --Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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