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Re: [atlarge-discuss] An opportunity to help
Joanna and all fellow members,
I agree that these sorts of cases and instances is exactly
what this fledgling organization should at some point get
involved in if or when this fledgling organization can clean
up it's own mess first, has the where with all to actually
make a difference, and is an actual legal entity.
Until than however, I would suggest to you as well Joanna,
that you seek good legal council to address you problem.
The ABA should be able to aid you in finding good
competent legal council pro bono that specializes
in these cases. Failing that contact me off-line
and I can ask our legal staff for some references
of practices with specialization in this area.
Joanna Lane wrote:
> I think this is exactly how the At Large should be spending our time and
> energy, then there would be some motivation to stay involved, and the At
> Large would have members lining up in their thousands with cash at the
> ready. Mr. Bode is not alone. I am currently dealing with a similar problem
> and it's a nightmare, only my ISP didn't even have the courtesy to inform me
> they were folding.
>
> In my case, I registered my first .com through a UK ISP who handled all the
> registration details and put themselves in as admin contact, and my UK Sole
> Trading name as Registrant, but they did not add any email contact for my
> company, only a mailing address. A year or so later, I received an invoice
> for web hosting services I had not ordered from an ISP I did not recognize.
> The return address was a PO BOX number in London. Checking the WHOIS, I
> discovered the original ISP had evaporated without informing me and the new
> ISP had appeared as the Admin contact. I contacted this new ISP by email at
> the address published in the Whois, that corresponded with the one on their
> printed stationery. No response, although the messages did not bounce. I
> then attempted to phone. It was a London number, but answered by a recorded
> message that was in a Scandinavian language that I did not understand. Time
> passed. I decided to instigate a transfer request through Dotster to see
> what would happen. The transfer was denied on the basis of a non-functioning
> Admin email address. I was told to contact NSI direct, but in the
> intervening period (several years), I had moved to the USA and started a new
> company, no was longer using the trading name published in Whois. The
> registration is paid to 2004, but I am not getting the benefit of it.
>
> Anyone else? We could start resolving these issues by forming a committee to
> lobby the Registries on a case by case basis. Only non-verified Registrants
> need apply.
>
> Joanna
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Micheal Sherrill [mailto:micheal@beethoven.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 1:20 AM
> > To: atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de
> > Subject: Re: [atlarge-discuss] An opportunity to help
> >
> >
> > Hello Danny:
> >
> > What an opportunity! But, what do we do as a force if we cannot
> > even get through authentication. Not to be facetious, yet, we
> > have come a long ways since 2/02. Unfortunately, we are not yet
> > ready for such a task. Hopefully, we will soon rise to the challenge.
> >
> > Let us use this example to energize our commitment. We need to
> > get organized!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Micheal Sherrill
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: DannyYounger@cs.com
> > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 00:19:52 EDT
> >
> > On May 23, a Mr. Al Bode wrote a letter and posted it to the ALAC
> > forum --
> > http://forum.icann.org/alac-forum/domain/msg00000.html
> >
> > No one on the ALAC has even noticed this letter. Mr. Bode's
> > problem deals
> > with hosting companies that list themselves as the
> > registrant/administrative
> > contact when registering domain names for clients of their
> > hosting services.
> > When these Hosting/ISP entities go bankrupt, it poses a problem for those
> > individuals that paid for rights to the domains but now are faced
> > with a registrar
> > that won't respond to their needs (as registrars will cite ICANN
> > rules that
> > disallow namespace changes if such modifications are not
> > authorized by the
> > registrant and/or administrative contact).
> >
> > This particular practice is common in the hosting community
> > worldwide, and
> > affects a substantial number of registrants (many of whom aren't
> > educated with
> > regard to the finer points of DNS registration services) as a
> > fair number of
> > ISPs go out of business on a regular basis.
> >
> > If the ALAC won't communicate with Mr. Bode, perhaps the members of
> > icannatlarge can act to help solve this vexing problem by
> > bringing the issue to the
> > attention of the ICANN Board. What is probably called for is the
> > development of
> > a set of "Best Practices for ISPs" that has the blessing of ICANN's ISP
> > Constituency. It might also be wise for ICANN to survey the ISP
> > Community to
> > determine the magnitude of the problem (most especially in the
> > developing world).
> >
> > Here is an opportunity to help. How will this organization act
> > to address
> > this challenge?
> >
> >
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